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msanthrope

(37,549 posts) Fri Sep 7, 2012, 09:02 AM Sep 2012

The DNC had a choice: give Dolan a pulpit, or another nail in his self-made cross. [View all]

I think having Cardinal Dolan at the DNC sucked. How did it happen?

Well, Dolan was invited to speak at the RNC. And then he offered to speak at the DNC to be "fair." Because after all his speeches were to be "pastoral not political." Now we all know that's bullshit but the Obama campaign can't say it's bullshit 60 days before election.

So what was the DNC supposed to do? Get into a pissing match with a Catholic Cardinal 60 days before an election?

Were they supposed to let Dolan run around screaming that Religious Liberty is at jeopardy in this country like he's been doing on the contraceptive issue? Hand him some more wood?

Dolan tried to bait our president into a culture confrontation. Look what happened with the issue of a god in the DNC platform....imagine the screaming over Dolan being denied entry. Dolan tried to be Joe the Plumber this time. It failed.

No right thinking Democrat likes Dolan at the DNC. But there's a reason why no major gay rights organization is openly criticizing the president right now. It's 60 days before an election.

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The DNC had a choice: give Dolan a pulpit, or another nail in his self-made cross. [View all] msanthrope Sep 2012 OP

Well, now we know Dolan will be quiet and stop his complaining about infringing on religious liberty Fumesucker Sep 2012 #1

He will also drop his lawsuit against the Obama administration jsr Sep 2012 #5

Of course he won't...but he took away a made-for-Fox News scandal msanthrope Sep 2012 #8

+1 hifiguy Sep 2012 #26

Polls have Obama up by 30 in NY Progressive dog Sep 2012 #45

NYC is the Ny Post, Fox News, Bill O'Lielly....no need to stir that pot. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #58

DAYUM, msanthrope - that's a GREAT one! calimary Sep 2012 #93

I never forgot my Kubrick--see at 1:03. msanthrope Sep 2012 #118

Of course he won't...but now he can't complain Obama personalized msanthrope Sep 2012 #6

Sure he can, they already are. Obama left the arena prior to the prayer they say, big insult Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #83

It took away an argument from the Repubs powergirl Sep 2012 #2

You are right--the anti-choicers were up in arms....nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #20

DU rec...nt SidDithers Sep 2012 #3

It was strange because we are a big tent party, this wasn't the RNC where JaneyVee Sep 2012 #4

not to mention the repeated, out loud, in your face freedom to marry and women take care seabeyond Sep 2012 #7

he can hang tough against world leaders but got strongarmed by a priest? piratefish08 Sep 2012 #9

Yes, the paradox of the mighty Presidency and the "oh dear, we can't do THAT!" Safetykitten Sep 2012 #12

Yep--there are some things Obama cannot do if he wants reelection. Ask yourself something..... msanthrope Sep 2012 #18

Very good points and totally lost on those who don't "get" politics. GoneOffShore Sep 2012 #42

You know what? We "get" politics Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #74

You really think I would back slavery? nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #79

I don't know about "you," Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #85

I've been around the same amount of time as you have. GoneOffShore Sep 2012 #91

There are certain things that cannot be Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #94

In principle I agree. But we have to have control before that happens. GoneOffShore Sep 2012 #103

Speaking out for Civil Rights is "sputter." Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #107

The DNC DID speak out for civil rights. randome Sep 2012 #109

I was referring to Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #111

Got it. My misinterpretation. randome Sep 2012 #113

Oh, I'm just so hurt by that (sarcasm). GoneOffShore Sep 2012 #114

He didn't get strongarmed--he stepped over a steaming pile of shit. msanthrope Sep 2012 #15

And the DNC were the adults in the room, again. vanlassie Sep 2012 #10

C&P From My Response To You In Another Thread NCTraveler Sep 2012 #11

Dolan was a non-entity. He was neutralized. No one watched. msanthrope Sep 2012 #16

Neutralized? Really? NCTraveler Sep 2012 #22

No--he didn't get what he WANTED. What he WANTED was the ability to start a scandal and push the msanthrope Sep 2012 #23

He was welcomed into the lions den and spoke about life. NCTraveler Sep 2012 #49

Go read freeperville. They aren't pleased about Dolan at the DNC and the Al Smith Dinner, which msanthrope Sep 2012 #52

Post a link of them talking directly about Dolan and how upset they are. NCTraveler Sep 2012 #53

Why would I link from freeperville? The anti-gay rhetoric is offensive, and would msanthrope Sep 2012 #55

Your link goes completely against what you are saying. nt. NCTraveler Sep 2012 #59

Um, no---the rightwing was pissed. The Daily Caller is rightwing. And take a look at the comments- msanthrope Sep 2012 #61

Then why so many people aggressively rationalizing, justifying and tolerating his attendance? LanternWaste Sep 2012 #104

Deval Patrick's speech about Democrats getting a backbone sounded good, but bullwinkle428 Sep 2012 #13

There's getting a backbone, and there's avoiding the trap your enemy tried to lay for you. msanthrope Sep 2012 #17

Funny that you ask - living in a swing state and all, I have plans to bullwinkle428 Sep 2012 #67

There's also the courage of one's own conviction versus political expediency LanternWaste Sep 2012 #105

I wish we could do without the prayers treestar Sep 2012 #14

"Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?" mysuzuki2 Sep 2012 #19

Careful. That one ended badly. Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #75

Could it be because of the Al Smith Dinner? AngryOldDem Sep 2012 #21

Dolan has been a thorn in the side of the administration. Rewarding him was stupid. JVS Sep 2012 #24

Rewarding him would have been allowing him to claim, through his Fox News msanthrope Sep 2012 #27

Jesus Said DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #25

I live in Pennsylvania. No need to piss off the Catholic block here that want to msanthrope Sep 2012 #28

I Used To Go To Catholic Church With My GF DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #34

He wanted to claim that Obama took away his first amendment right because Obama hates Catholics. JoePhilly Sep 2012 #29

Yep....look what the 'muslin' President did to the highest-ranking Catholic in America. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #31

The "Nuns on the Bus" got a much better time slot, and the Daily Caller was PISSED that Dolan JoePhilly Sep 2012 #43

Seems that our Catholic Vice President might have been able to address that a bit... Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #98

"No Thanks" would have sufficed. liberalmuse Sep 2012 #30

And 'no thanks' would have given the repukes exactly the headlines they needed. As a woman, I'm msanthrope Sep 2012 #35

He's already lost that battle and everyone knows it. randome Sep 2012 #38

Dolan made an ass of himself. He was invited to make a prayer The Second Stone Sep 2012 #32

Personally, I like the fact that he made a public ass of himself. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #37

Besides... Bobbie Jo Sep 2012 #63

The networks all tuned to pundits and local news, the cable channels to pundits. The Nun on the Bus msanthrope Sep 2012 #64

"Thanks, but we already invited somebody else. We'll keep you in mind next time." LeftyMom Sep 2012 #33

The laity doesn't own the right-wing media machine. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #36

That would have been the easiest problem in the world to avoid. LeftyMom Sep 2012 #41

They look petty either way. randome Sep 2012 #44

"And we look gracious and above such nonsense." NCTraveler Sep 2012 #48

Except that eventually they will lose such prejudices. randome Sep 2012 #56

Alrighty then. Are_grits_groceries Sep 2012 #39

He already did--- msanthrope Sep 2012 #54

In all the outrage this is forgotten. GoneOffShore Sep 2012 #95

That was yesterday's news. Are_grits_groceries Sep 2012 #120

Pandering to the bigot vote is always a choice. The Link Sep 2012 #40

Fak u Dolan Erose999 Sep 2012 #46

You're doing a great job of rebutting the criticisms. GoneOffShore Sep 2012 #47

My preference, too. But not going to happen any convention soon..... msanthrope Sep 2012 #57

Thanks for explaining this. Whisp Sep 2012 #50

How many supporting references to LGBTQ rights were made during this convention & by whom? nt patrice Sep 2012 #51

I think it would be easier to list speakers who didn't...but here's a video I thought was great: msanthrope Sep 2012 #60

Trust is a hard thing to cultivate. I am supporting a local liberal Catholic candidate; she will NOT patrice Sep 2012 #62

We can be purists in a very small room (see, the Green Party) or we can msanthrope Sep 2012 #65

'Powerless' is exactly right. randome Sep 2012 #66

With honesty and respect, we can help one another, without agreeing on the more personal patrice Sep 2012 #70

And if things don't fit right... randome Sep 2012 #71

Yep. Corrective responses are better than vindictive ones, because they give everyone more patrice Sep 2012 #76

There IS a tide and it will NOT be denied except by those who will not yeild to others what patrice Sep 2012 #68

I honestly think they're giving him enough rope. nt LaydeeBug Sep 2012 #69

Why couldn't we have chosen Jack Sprat Sep 2012 #72

Oh, by all means, let's let the bigots Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #73

Are you going to sit out the election or vote for Romney because of this? SlimJimmy Sep 2012 #77

Well, I've not sat out an election Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #78

I agree with your sentiment. I would never call myself a blind partisan. In fact, I'm really more SlimJimmy Sep 2012 #97

And I don't think civil rights Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #100

This was not a matter of civil rights to the President. In this case, it was a political SlimJimmy Sep 2012 #112

How are they controlling the narrative? randome Sep 2012 #81

They lost? And everyone knows it? William769 Sep 2012 #87

The momentum is unstoppable. randome Sep 2012 #88

If they "lost" Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #89

Keep your friends close by, your enemies closer. randome Sep 2012 #90

Oh, hockey puck. Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #96

I don't think it needs to be N-dimension chess. randome Sep 2012 #99

Sorry, the cost was too high. Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #101

I guess you'd have to take a poll to know that. randome Sep 2012 #108

I have the utmost respect for you but on this you are wrong. William769 Sep 2012 #80

No one was pushed to the back at the DNC I watched. randome Sep 2012 #82

Are you part of the LGBT community? William769 Sep 2012 #84

My father is. I haven't asked his opinion about this but I have some knowledge of the issues. randome Sep 2012 #86

He has not already lost his arguments. That's offensive and you should stop saying it. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #106

My point has been that the momentum cannot be stopped. randome Sep 2012 #110

And I respect you, greatly. Let me be clear that I am not minimizing the utter disgust msanthrope Sep 2012 #116

They caved to Dolan, God, and the Israel lobby. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #92

What little I heard was about social and economic justice Warpy Sep 2012 #102

Let him scream. His screaming about contraception backfired... WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2012 #115

There is nothing that DU will not defend SomethingFishy Sep 2012 #117

I suppose you're right ... GeorgeGist Sep 2012 #119