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NCTraveler

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22. Neutralized? Really?

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:03 PM

Sep 2012

He got exactly what he wanted. A platform was given to him.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-cardinal-timothy-dolan-rnc-dnc-20120907,0,7241131.story

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/cardinal-timothy-dolan-gives-pro-life-prayer-at-dnc/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/07/cardinal-timothy-dolan-dnc_n_1864251.html

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/07/cardinal-dolan-uses-dnc-closing-prayer-to-attack-lgbt-community/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/sep/6/picket-video-and-transcript-dolan-brings-pro-life-/

http://www.catholicnewsherald.com/42-news/rokstories/2296-cardinal-dolan-to-deliver-closing-prayer-at-dnc

http://townhall.com/video/cardinal-dolan-delivers-pro-life-benediction-at-dnc

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/cardinal-dolan-uses-dnc-closing-prayer-attac

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/03/first-on-cnn-whos-delivering-prayers-at-the-dnc/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/30/archdiocese-cardinal-dolan-prayers-for-both-rnc-and-dnc-pastoral-not-political/

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The DNC had a choice: give Dolan a pulpit, or another nail in his self-made cross. [View all] msanthrope Sep 2012 OP

Well, now we know Dolan will be quiet and stop his complaining about infringing on religious liberty Fumesucker Sep 2012 #1

He will also drop his lawsuit against the Obama administration jsr Sep 2012 #5

Of course he won't...but he took away a made-for-Fox News scandal msanthrope Sep 2012 #8

+1 hifiguy Sep 2012 #26

Polls have Obama up by 30 in NY Progressive dog Sep 2012 #45

NYC is the Ny Post, Fox News, Bill O'Lielly....no need to stir that pot. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #58

DAYUM, msanthrope - that's a GREAT one! calimary Sep 2012 #93

I never forgot my Kubrick--see at 1:03. msanthrope Sep 2012 #118

Of course he won't...but now he can't complain Obama personalized msanthrope Sep 2012 #6

Sure he can, they already are. Obama left the arena prior to the prayer they say, big insult Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #83

It took away an argument from the Repubs powergirl Sep 2012 #2

You are right--the anti-choicers were up in arms....nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #20

DU rec...nt SidDithers Sep 2012 #3

It was strange because we are a big tent party, this wasn't the RNC where JaneyVee Sep 2012 #4

not to mention the repeated, out loud, in your face freedom to marry and women take care seabeyond Sep 2012 #7

he can hang tough against world leaders but got strongarmed by a priest? piratefish08 Sep 2012 #9

Yes, the paradox of the mighty Presidency and the "oh dear, we can't do THAT!" Safetykitten Sep 2012 #12

Yep--there are some things Obama cannot do if he wants reelection. Ask yourself something..... msanthrope Sep 2012 #18

Very good points and totally lost on those who don't "get" politics. GoneOffShore Sep 2012 #42

You know what? We "get" politics Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #74

You really think I would back slavery? nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #79

I don't know about "you," Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #85

I've been around the same amount of time as you have. GoneOffShore Sep 2012 #91

There are certain things that cannot be Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #94

In principle I agree. But we have to have control before that happens. GoneOffShore Sep 2012 #103

Speaking out for Civil Rights is "sputter." Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #107

The DNC DID speak out for civil rights. randome Sep 2012 #109

I was referring to Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #111

Got it. My misinterpretation. randome Sep 2012 #113

Oh, I'm just so hurt by that (sarcasm). GoneOffShore Sep 2012 #114

He didn't get strongarmed--he stepped over a steaming pile of shit. msanthrope Sep 2012 #15

And the DNC were the adults in the room, again. vanlassie Sep 2012 #10

C&P From My Response To You In Another Thread NCTraveler Sep 2012 #11

Dolan was a non-entity. He was neutralized. No one watched. msanthrope Sep 2012 #16

Neutralized? Really? NCTraveler Sep 2012 #22

No--he didn't get what he WANTED. What he WANTED was the ability to start a scandal and push the msanthrope Sep 2012 #23

He was welcomed into the lions den and spoke about life. NCTraveler Sep 2012 #49

Go read freeperville. They aren't pleased about Dolan at the DNC and the Al Smith Dinner, which msanthrope Sep 2012 #52

Post a link of them talking directly about Dolan and how upset they are. NCTraveler Sep 2012 #53

Why would I link from freeperville? The anti-gay rhetoric is offensive, and would msanthrope Sep 2012 #55

Your link goes completely against what you are saying. nt. NCTraveler Sep 2012 #59

Um, no---the rightwing was pissed. The Daily Caller is rightwing. And take a look at the comments- msanthrope Sep 2012 #61

Then why so many people aggressively rationalizing, justifying and tolerating his attendance? LanternWaste Sep 2012 #104

Deval Patrick's speech about Democrats getting a backbone sounded good, but bullwinkle428 Sep 2012 #13

There's getting a backbone, and there's avoiding the trap your enemy tried to lay for you. msanthrope Sep 2012 #17

Funny that you ask - living in a swing state and all, I have plans to bullwinkle428 Sep 2012 #67

There's also the courage of one's own conviction versus political expediency LanternWaste Sep 2012 #105

I wish we could do without the prayers treestar Sep 2012 #14

"Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?" mysuzuki2 Sep 2012 #19

Careful. That one ended badly. Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #75

Could it be because of the Al Smith Dinner? AngryOldDem Sep 2012 #21

Dolan has been a thorn in the side of the administration. Rewarding him was stupid. JVS Sep 2012 #24

Rewarding him would have been allowing him to claim, through his Fox News msanthrope Sep 2012 #27

Jesus Said DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #25

I live in Pennsylvania. No need to piss off the Catholic block here that want to msanthrope Sep 2012 #28

I Used To Go To Catholic Church With My GF DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #34

He wanted to claim that Obama took away his first amendment right because Obama hates Catholics. JoePhilly Sep 2012 #29

Yep....look what the 'muslin' President did to the highest-ranking Catholic in America. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #31

The "Nuns on the Bus" got a much better time slot, and the Daily Caller was PISSED that Dolan JoePhilly Sep 2012 #43

Seems that our Catholic Vice President might have been able to address that a bit... Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #98

"No Thanks" would have sufficed. liberalmuse Sep 2012 #30

And 'no thanks' would have given the repukes exactly the headlines they needed. As a woman, I'm msanthrope Sep 2012 #35

He's already lost that battle and everyone knows it. randome Sep 2012 #38

Dolan made an ass of himself. He was invited to make a prayer The Second Stone Sep 2012 #32

Personally, I like the fact that he made a public ass of himself. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #37

Besides... Bobbie Jo Sep 2012 #63

The networks all tuned to pundits and local news, the cable channels to pundits. The Nun on the Bus msanthrope Sep 2012 #64

"Thanks, but we already invited somebody else. We'll keep you in mind next time." LeftyMom Sep 2012 #33

The laity doesn't own the right-wing media machine. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #36

That would have been the easiest problem in the world to avoid. LeftyMom Sep 2012 #41

They look petty either way. randome Sep 2012 #44

"And we look gracious and above such nonsense." NCTraveler Sep 2012 #48

Except that eventually they will lose such prejudices. randome Sep 2012 #56

Alrighty then. Are_grits_groceries Sep 2012 #39

He already did--- msanthrope Sep 2012 #54

In all the outrage this is forgotten. GoneOffShore Sep 2012 #95

That was yesterday's news. Are_grits_groceries Sep 2012 #120

Pandering to the bigot vote is always a choice. The Link Sep 2012 #40

Fak u Dolan Erose999 Sep 2012 #46

You're doing a great job of rebutting the criticisms. GoneOffShore Sep 2012 #47

My preference, too. But not going to happen any convention soon..... msanthrope Sep 2012 #57

Thanks for explaining this. Whisp Sep 2012 #50

How many supporting references to LGBTQ rights were made during this convention & by whom? nt patrice Sep 2012 #51

I think it would be easier to list speakers who didn't...but here's a video I thought was great: msanthrope Sep 2012 #60

Trust is a hard thing to cultivate. I am supporting a local liberal Catholic candidate; she will NOT patrice Sep 2012 #62

We can be purists in a very small room (see, the Green Party) or we can msanthrope Sep 2012 #65

'Powerless' is exactly right. randome Sep 2012 #66

With honesty and respect, we can help one another, without agreeing on the more personal patrice Sep 2012 #70

And if things don't fit right... randome Sep 2012 #71

Yep. Corrective responses are better than vindictive ones, because they give everyone more patrice Sep 2012 #76

There IS a tide and it will NOT be denied except by those who will not yeild to others what patrice Sep 2012 #68

I honestly think they're giving him enough rope. nt LaydeeBug Sep 2012 #69

Why couldn't we have chosen Jack Sprat Sep 2012 #72

Oh, by all means, let's let the bigots Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #73

Are you going to sit out the election or vote for Romney because of this? SlimJimmy Sep 2012 #77

Well, I've not sat out an election Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #78

I agree with your sentiment. I would never call myself a blind partisan. In fact, I'm really more SlimJimmy Sep 2012 #97

And I don't think civil rights Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #100

This was not a matter of civil rights to the President. In this case, it was a political SlimJimmy Sep 2012 #112

How are they controlling the narrative? randome Sep 2012 #81

They lost? And everyone knows it? William769 Sep 2012 #87

The momentum is unstoppable. randome Sep 2012 #88

If they "lost" Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #89

Keep your friends close by, your enemies closer. randome Sep 2012 #90

Oh, hockey puck. Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #96

I don't think it needs to be N-dimension chess. randome Sep 2012 #99

Sorry, the cost was too high. Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #101

I guess you'd have to take a poll to know that. randome Sep 2012 #108

I have the utmost respect for you but on this you are wrong. William769 Sep 2012 #80

No one was pushed to the back at the DNC I watched. randome Sep 2012 #82

Are you part of the LGBT community? William769 Sep 2012 #84

My father is. I haven't asked his opinion about this but I have some knowledge of the issues. randome Sep 2012 #86

He has not already lost his arguments. That's offensive and you should stop saying it. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #106

My point has been that the momentum cannot be stopped. randome Sep 2012 #110

And I respect you, greatly. Let me be clear that I am not minimizing the utter disgust msanthrope Sep 2012 #116

They caved to Dolan, God, and the Israel lobby. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #92

What little I heard was about social and economic justice Warpy Sep 2012 #102

Let him scream. His screaming about contraception backfired... WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2012 #115

There is nothing that DU will not defend SomethingFishy Sep 2012 #117

I suppose you're right ... GeorgeGist Sep 2012 #119