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70. The Germans would probably go for all that--IF they could have it

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:35 PM

Feb 2020

They always wonder that Americans think everything is free here (I live in the Düsseldorf area), but it's not, health care is not only not universal, it is first class and second class for those who do have it, and getting into a university at all is a dry, Darwinian process. My wife, a social worker here, used to "lend" her charges money so they could eat for the last few days of the month, when their money ran out.

We get by, of course--most countries do. But to call Germany some kind of utopian paradise, where everything is free, is inaccurate at best. This not the Valley of the Shmoon.

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If we don't have a democratic incumbent in 2024 the country will be gone. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2020 #1

I might have jumped the gun in stating 2024. I'm hoping for 2028. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #7

she is old enough by 99 days to run in 2024 nt Celerity Feb 2020 #21

It's AOC. An incumbent will be no barrier. kcr Feb 2020 #55

AOC is still smarter than 99% of the men in DC and... JoeOtterbein Feb 2020 #2

75% of all stats are made up SlogginThroughIt Feb 2020 #22

So you're in DC, huh? LanternWaste Feb 2020 #47

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She will be 35 before the election (requirement is 35). Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #5

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What a distasteful thing to say about a bright and beautiful young champion of human & civil rights Alex4Martinez Feb 2020 #8

+1 Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #9

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I should clarify, I got ahead of myself. This would be assuming Trump wins again. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #15

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Why? Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #24

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Way too radical. Zolorp Feb 2020 #27

She has a majority approval rating amongst her constituency. Good luck with that. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #29

Any money spent trying to defeat her in a primary is well spent Zolorp Feb 2020 #51

"Way too radical" John Fante Feb 2020 #46

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Yeah, who needs universal healthcare, low-cost/free college, and a high QOL? John Fante Feb 2020 #54

+100000000 Celerity Feb 2020 #69

The Germans would probably go for all that--IF they could have it DFW Feb 2020 #70

Public universities in Germany are tuition-free for undergraduate students. Yes or no? John Fante Feb 2020 #75

Not for everyone DFW Feb 2020 #94

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ok let me rephrase nini Feb 2020 #73

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