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53. There's a difference political "crimes," or abuse of power while in office, and actual felonies.
Sat Mar 21, 2020, 07:00 PM
Mar 2020

Numerous presidents and other elected/appointed officials have engaged in abuses of power while in office, but have not been criminally prosecuted. We generally don't prosecute political acts, no matter how terrible. However, if an elected official breaks an actual criminal or civil law, either while in or out of office, they are routinely prosecuted.

VP Spiro Agnew was investigated for criminal conspiracy, bribery, extortion and tax fraud. He took kickbacks from contractors during his time as Baltimore County Executive and Governor of Maryland. Agnew worked out a deal to avoid a trial and pleaded no contest to a single felony charge of tax evasion. He resigned from office in disgrace. Democrats at the time wanted him imprisoned.

Bill Clinton was found guilty of giving false testimony (perjury) and contempt after lying under oath about sex with Monica Lewinsky. After a plea deal to avoid further criminal prosecution after leaving office, Clinton was fined $90,000 and disbarred. Republicans at the time wanted him to go to jail.

In recent years a Governor went to jail for selling Obama's Senate seat, the Speaker of the House was imprisoned for covering up sexual abuse of boys, Nixon's Attorney General and numerous members of his administration went to prison following Watergate, Reagan's administration was full of convicted felons of all stripes, and the list goes on.

Trump has already been indicted for a crime in NY, and his attorney, acting as his bagman in the commission of that crime, is currently in jail. Several other Trump henchmen are either in jail or awaiting sentencing for crimes committed on his behalf. If after further investigation it can be determinec that Trump may be guilty of additional felonies - like money laundering, tax evasion and God only knows what else - he can and will be charged and prosecuted. Whether the scumbag goes to prison, or not, is another matter.

Personally, I'd like to see a plea deal worked out so Trump and his entire crime family are barred from ever speaking publicly in any way, using twitter or other social media, going on FOX News to spread their lies and BS, or ever participating in our political process again. Call it a sort of a Non Disclosure Agreement on his way out the door.

Trump won't go peacefully. You should know that by now. PubliusEnigma Mar 2020 #1
I must continue to hope that he will. Threatening to imprison him doesn't help. n/t Laelth Mar 2020 #10
BLACK SWAN... Zoonart Mar 2020 #2
I must admit to ignorance, here. Laelth Mar 2020 #12
Wikipedia entry for Black Swan Theory Blecht Mar 2020 #13
I love DU. Thank you. n/t Laelth Mar 2020 #17
I learned something new today kimbutgar Mar 2020 #27
I didn't know there was such a thing as black swans. Butterflylady Mar 2020 #79
Here's My Black Swan Theory Me. Mar 2020 #77
If it were only that easy. dhol82 Mar 2020 #81
How Is It That It Hits Everyone But The Big Target At The Epicenter Me. Mar 2020 #83
While I would love to see His Lardship waddling off to the pokey The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #3
Hear! Hear! n/t Laelth Mar 2020 #18
Agree. At this point if he would just go away gldstwmn Mar 2020 #37
I do not think Trump will True Blue American Mar 2020 #52
That would be fine with me. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #55
Not Going to homegirl Mar 2020 #90
Maybe it won't but it absolutely should. Phoenix61 Mar 2020 #4
Bullcrap. Solomon Mar 2020 #5
Thank you for the thoughtful reply. LOL. n/t Laelth Mar 2020 #6
This is true d_b Mar 2020 #26
Had Nixon been prosecuted SCantiGOP Mar 2020 #7
I hear you. I would like to believe that no one is above the law. Laelth Mar 2020 #9
"YOU ARE above the law if you win the national popularity contest..." GReedDiamond Mar 2020 #32
I feel you. I don't even disagree ... with the feeling. Laelth Mar 2020 #39
The peaceful transition of power can be accomplished... GReedDiamond Mar 2020 #45
Peaceful transition of power is just another norm the Con is going to blow out of the water. CrispyQ Mar 2020 #8
I hope you are wrong. We shall see what we see. n/t Laelth Mar 2020 #29
Huge difference treestar Mar 2020 #11
Nixon was clearly guilty of definite crimes. Laelth Mar 2020 #40
Nixon was pardoned by someone of his own party though treestar Mar 2020 #48
Obama let Bush off the hook and nobody batted an eye. Laelth Mar 2020 #51
I wouldn't say that treestar Mar 2020 #56
I saw that too. We were both here back then. Laelth Mar 2020 #58
Senators, Congressmen, Cabinet Members, Governors, Judges and others have been jailed sop Mar 2020 #14
You prove my point. Laelth Mar 2020 #43
There's a difference political "crimes," or abuse of power while in office, and actual felonies. sop Mar 2020 #53
Excellent historical post. Laelth Mar 2020 #87
overstating the point. unblock Mar 2020 #15
If he actually DID murder someone on 5th Ave., yes. Laelth Mar 2020 #50
Yes, he won't be likely held responsible for Federal Crimes while in office, But NY State CAN hlthe2b Mar 2020 #16
You're right. NY could do exactly what you suggest. Laelth Mar 2020 #30
Trump is going to go to prison . EmeraldCoaster Mar 2020 #19
I would not put money on that prediction if I were you. Laelth Mar 2020 #33
You apparently have no clue about the interests of the republic. not_the_one Mar 2020 #85
If prison for Trump is your ultimate goal, then, yes. Laelth Mar 2020 #88
So then why have American governments overthrown governments malaise Mar 2020 #20
The American people don't support coups HERE. Laelth Mar 2020 #35
Which is why the coup pulled off by the Con and his ReTHUGs was malaise Mar 2020 #38
We outnumber them, by a long shot. Laelth Mar 2020 #41
I too believe the system is stronger than the Con but malaise Mar 2020 #42
Nixon would have gone to prison edhopper Mar 2020 #21
That's why Ford had to pardon him. n/t Laelth Mar 2020 #36
Only applied to Federal Law. Lock him up. Mar 2020 #49
Quite true. He can be. Laelth Mar 2020 #78
Of course, the priority is to have him gone. Lock him up. Mar 2020 #82
If Ehud Olmert can go to prison, so can this walking, talking hemorrhoid. There's Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2020 #22
That's the thing. Laelth Mar 2020 #46
Didn't say you made excuses for his behavior. You're making excuses for some Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2020 #59
Fair enough. I don't "like" it, either. But it is what it is. n/t Laelth Mar 2020 #61
It may be. But other countries have proven it can be done. And somehow Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2020 #84
I respectfully disagree. crickets Mar 2020 #23
Evidently, a former president IS DIFFERENT. Laelth Mar 2020 #47
Yet. nt crickets Mar 2020 #66
I would prefer that he and his family ended up like Mussolini and his gang of smirkymonkey Mar 2020 #24
We don't do that in the US. Laelth Mar 2020 #63
There is a first for everything. smirkymonkey Mar 2020 #64
It's really gruesome. Laelth Mar 2020 #65
I know. I am evil. smirkymonkey Mar 2020 #76
I agree, never prison, but... RealityChik Mar 2020 #25
I'd be thrilled with that. n/t Laelth Mar 2020 #67
A President should never be exempt from punishment Under The Radar Mar 2020 #28
I agree. Trump sucks. You'll get no argument from me on that. Laelth Mar 2020 #68
Perhaps we make Robert DeNiro the next Attorney General Under The Radar Mar 2020 #69
LOL. Now THAT would be some justice! n/t Laelth Mar 2020 #71
There are exceptions to every "rule." MoonRiver Mar 2020 #31
I am of the mind if cowards MyNameGoesHere Mar 2020 #34
While I don't disagree, I also think that a failure to prosecute a crime because of one's stature Mr. Ected Mar 2020 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author democratisphere Mar 2020 #54
Presidents ARE above the law (to a certain extent). That's my point. Laelth Mar 2020 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author democratisphere Mar 2020 #72
You're not getting any argument from me on that. Laelth Mar 2020 #73
Hopefully he'll die from COVID-19 before then. Crunchy Frog Mar 2020 #57
Hope springs eternal. n/t Laelth Mar 2020 #74
In this case Turbineguy Mar 2020 #60
Just so, and that's my point. Thank you. n/t Laelth Mar 2020 #80
People who think Trump will go to prison are delusional and out of touch with reality dustyscamp Mar 2020 #62
Just so, for better or for worse. Laelth Mar 2020 #89
+1. Despise trump, but one Admin prosecuting another isn't a good idea generally. Hoyt Mar 2020 #75
It wont happen but it should happen standingtall Mar 2020 #86
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