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Gothmog

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25. Why did Bernie Sanders drop out? The progressive majority he needed doesn't exist
Sun Apr 12, 2020, 04:54 PM
Apr 2020



Biden’s vision has now won out: He is the apparent Democratic nominee after Sanders suspended his campaign Wednesday following a mid-pandemic Wisconsin primary marred by vast polling site closures and a U.S. Supreme Court ruling that effectively invalidated many absentee ballots. (Sanders said Monday, given the risks to voters, his campaign would not engage in traditional efforts to get them to the polls.)….

And in particular, his decisive win over Sanders in the primary — without even campaigning in many states — further highlights the limitations of progressive politics in America, at least in winning a national campaign.

Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist, made a bad bet on the existence of a national progressive majority (as did Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., who ran as a progressive populist but dropped out after Super Tuesday). It turns out there's nothing even close.

In fact, it’s not even clear that a progressive majority exists within the Democratic Party. What does exist is a moderately center-left party with a vocal progressive element.

Sanders frequently said on the campaign trail that he was leading a “multigenerational, multiracial movement,” pledging to mobilize an army of new, young voters. But it turns out older and moderate voters are the ones that grew as a share of the Democratic primary electorate since 2016 — and they favored Biden by a wide margin.

Take the South Carolina primary on Feb. 29, which Biden won, or the 10 of 14 states he captured on Super Tuesday: In all, he appealed to the same coalitions that boosted Democrats so strongly in the 2018 midterm elections, turning out large numbers of suburban voters, while maintaining support from longstanding elements of the Democratic coalition, particularly African American voters.....

Still, with the 2020 Democratic primary process essentially over, it’s clear that the hard-core Democratic left was deluded in their assertions that they were the new Democratic majority. They are going to need a better grip on reality if they are to be successful at the national level moving forward

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it failed because they chose the wrong person to deliver the message nt msongs Apr 2020 #1
I think that it's far more complicated, but yes, Bernie didn't help with his attacks on ehrnst Apr 2020 #2
I hate to use words like "presidential" and "packaging," but Bernie's not the most polished guy, sop Apr 2020 #9
I agree. It was an unrelenting "us versus them" message that Sanders delivered. Blue_true Apr 2020 #50
I look forward to the other 15 candidates to get a similar article. jimfields33 Apr 2020 #52
Which other candidates lost twice after insisting that they were the future of the Democratic party ehrnst Apr 2020 #110
I think it was doomed to fail because they assumed that his 30% share would give him a plurality pnwmom Apr 2020 #79
That should have been self-evident. TwilightZone Apr 2020 #3
... William769 Apr 2020 #10
I am one of them! True Blue American Apr 2020 #82
Bernie's pitch was warmed-over 60's class-struggle stuff The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #4
I agree w/ you on this. It seems like he's stuck in some sort of alternate timezone, and I ... SWBTATTReg Apr 2020 #5
And yet he succeeded in a number of significant ways. Alex4Martinez Apr 2020 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #8
Naive to the nth degree. For a who has lived all his long life here he should've known... brush Apr 2020 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #14
You've said that before. It would be a landslide for trump though if Sanders had gotten... brush Apr 2020 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #34
Post removed Post removed Apr 2020 #46
Because you didn't get the nominee you wanted? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2020 #29
No, because I don't see the Presumptive Nominee Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #37
Why can't you just explain why the presumptive nominee "isn't able to win?" ehrnst Apr 2020 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #72
One ehrnst Apr 2020 #112
This message was self-deleted by its author Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #114
No one ehrnst Apr 2020 #116
This message was self-deleted by its author Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #120
Nah ehrnst Apr 2020 #121
This message was self-deleted by its author Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #122
The ehrnst Apr 2020 #123
Sounds that way. True Blue American Apr 2020 #83
Oh, good. More defeatism. TwilightZone Apr 2020 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #35
In what way? You haven't explained why you think he can't win. ehrnst Apr 2020 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #51
But you can't articulate why you think that is? ehrnst Apr 2020 #108
You Can Vote For The Man Anyway, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #49
Is That An Open Declaration That You Will, Sir? The Magistrate Apr 2020 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #71
It May Come As A Surprise To You, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #104
+1000 ehrnst Apr 2020 #109
Pessimism? True Blue American Apr 2020 #84
Bingo! betsuni Apr 2020 #90
No, it is defeatism of the worst kind. John Fante Apr 2020 #92
This message was self-deleted by its author Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #93
This kind of vague "concern" usually has something else at the root. ehrnst Apr 2020 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #73
It certainly ehrnst Apr 2020 #111
This message was self-deleted by its author Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #113
No one ehrnst Apr 2020 #117
You have your opinion, I completely disagree. Blue_true Apr 2020 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #74
From your post True Blue American Apr 2020 #101
The "process" includes voting, and that is where it has largely failed. TwilightZone Apr 2020 #11
They were deluded by their own rallies which were held on college campuses la-trucker Apr 2020 #16
But rowdy rallies certainly do make one feel very validated... ehrnst Apr 2020 #41
You forgot the awesome rock bands at the rallies. nt TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #62
Lucky for us the rally goers couldn't Cha Apr 2020 #94
I completely agree. Blue_true Apr 2020 #56
Funny how all those young people True Blue American Apr 2020 #85
The subject was his POTUS run, and the article mentioned some sucsesses. ehrnst Apr 2020 #18
Telling them everything's rigged and everyone's corrupt and both parties are the same. betsuni Apr 2020 #20
+1000. ehrnst Apr 2020 #23
I agree with Roy Delfino: betsuni Apr 2020 #58
Joe Biden "brought more people into the Process" this time & Cha Apr 2020 #26
That's terrific. But look, a lot of people lost... Alex4Martinez Apr 2020 #43
Number of registered voters in Texas: TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #59
Beto Effect More Effective than the BS effect in Texas! Cha Apr 2020 #63
Also, I think people think we can have more that two parties "in power" at a time ismnotwasm Apr 2020 #7
That and all kinds of "division" against the Dem Party from my view.. Cha Apr 2020 #13
The message was delivered in an angry, combative fashion la-trucker Apr 2020 #15
Exactly. Scurrilous Apr 2020 #66
KICK! Cha Apr 2020 #19
Because the media would rather mock "kooky", "cranky" Bernie than engage with his point. meadowlander Apr 2020 #21
So it's "the media's" failure, and not Sanders? ehrnst Apr 2020 #24
The primaries are over. meadowlander Apr 2020 #32
Look in a mirror yourself. ehrnst Apr 2020 #33
What are you hoping to accomplish with this thread? meadowlander Apr 2020 #36
I guess learning from one's mistakes isn't something that you see value in? ehrnst Apr 2020 #38
If You Would Like Greater Influence For Progressives In The Party, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #53
+1000 Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #76
That's right.. the primaries are Over. This is the Cha Apr 2020 #95
Yes, he's wrong about a lot of things. betsuni Apr 2020 #22
Yes he was. Scurrilous Apr 2020 #61
Why did Bernie Sanders drop out? The progressive majority he needed doesn't exist Gothmog Apr 2020 #25
Ya think? LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #27
EGGS-ACTLY This! n/t MFGsunny Apr 2020 #28
They were so extremely wrong in many ways because of Hortensis Apr 2020 #30
THeir Mean Mouths? Me. Apr 2020 #45
:) Hortensis Apr 2020 #70
Extremists on both sides are so deluded due to living in a bubble 24/7. Lanius Apr 2020 #67
Oh, yes. Reality's pretty clear and simple to them. Hortensis Apr 2020 #77
Let's Just Call It Me. Apr 2020 #44
I'm interested in this idea of "education divides" ck4829 Apr 2020 #47
The "diploma divide" is much more important than income level. betsuni Apr 2020 #57
Excellent article. Scurrilous Apr 2020 #60
Pure Sanders, though. I don't doubt his hard-wiring to LW class Hortensis Apr 2020 #69
Have any of you read," Hillbilly Elegy"? True Blue American Apr 2020 #87
Yep. Scurrilous Apr 2020 #119
I believe that Sanders was a "true" Socialist... brooklynite Apr 2020 #64
I think that it was pretty evident when Bernie was interviewed by Seth Meyers this past week. TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #65
538-Did Sanders Blow It For The Democratic Left? Or Was The Nomination Always Out Of Reach? Gothmog Apr 2020 #68
Bernie's likable enough ConnorMarc Apr 2020 #75
No, Bernie is not True Blue American Apr 2020 #88
Post removed Post removed Apr 2020 #100
This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Apr 2020 #98
I find him grating. Codeine Apr 2020 #106
He wasn't a mensch. People who value character could see. Beakybird Apr 2020 #78
I have no real skin in the game, being unable to vote in USA elections.... uriel1972 Apr 2020 #80
You can blame True Blue American Apr 2020 #89
Ehrnst True Blue American Apr 2020 #81
+1000. ehrnst Apr 2020 #107
Beating trump is all that matters now. Paladin Apr 2020 #115
we are about to learn (a lesson that we continually fail to learn) rampartc Apr 2020 #86
What do you mean by "identity politics"? betsuni Apr 2020 #96
I don't think it had anything to do with that Snake Plissken Apr 2020 #91
Bernie failed because he is not a Democrat. LiberalBrooke Apr 2020 #97
Running against the party doesn't help, either. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2020 #99
Time to stop worrying about Bernie Sanders, concentrate on destroying Donald Trump UCmeNdc Apr 2020 #102
Not worried at all. True Blue American Apr 2020 #103
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. ehrnst Apr 2020 #118
imho Maxheader Apr 2020 #105
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