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LaurenOlimina

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27. Ya think?

Sun Apr 12, 2020, 05:58 PM

Apr 2020

"This created a big problem for Sanders. His refusal to formally become a Democrat — and harsh attacks on the “Democratic establishment” — were much less likely to resonate with voters strongly attached to the Democratic Party. This effect seems to have hurt him badly."

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Why Bernie Sanders Failed: The Sanders campaign and his supporters bet on a theory of class politics [View all] ehrnst Apr 2020 OP

it failed because they chose the wrong person to deliver the message nt msongs Apr 2020 #1

I think that it's far more complicated, but yes, Bernie didn't help with his attacks on ehrnst Apr 2020 #2

I hate to use words like "presidential" and "packaging," but Bernie's not the most polished guy, sop Apr 2020 #9

I agree. It was an unrelenting "us versus them" message that Sanders delivered. Blue_true Apr 2020 #50

I look forward to the other 15 candidates to get a similar article. jimfields33 Apr 2020 #52

Which other candidates lost twice after insisting that they were the future of the Democratic party ehrnst Apr 2020 #110

I think it was doomed to fail because they assumed that his 30% share would give him a plurality pnwmom Apr 2020 #79

That should have been self-evident. TwilightZone Apr 2020 #3

... William769 Apr 2020 #10

I am one of them! True Blue American Apr 2020 #82

Bernie's pitch was warmed-over 60's class-struggle stuff The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #4

I agree w/ you on this. It seems like he's stuck in some sort of alternate timezone, and I ... SWBTATTReg Apr 2020 #5

And yet he succeeded in a number of significant ways. Alex4Martinez Apr 2020 #6

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Naive to the nth degree. For a who has lived all his long life here he should've known... brush Apr 2020 #12

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You've said that before. It would be a landslide for trump though if Sanders had gotten... brush Apr 2020 #17

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Post removed Post removed Apr 2020 #46

Because you didn't get the nominee you wanted? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2020 #29

No, because I don't see the Presumptive Nominee Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #37

Why can't you just explain why the presumptive nominee "isn't able to win?" ehrnst Apr 2020 #39

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One ehrnst Apr 2020 #112

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No one ehrnst Apr 2020 #116

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Nah ehrnst Apr 2020 #121

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The ehrnst Apr 2020 #123

Sounds that way. True Blue American Apr 2020 #83

Oh, good. More defeatism. TwilightZone Apr 2020 #31

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In what way? You haven't explained why you think he can't win. ehrnst Apr 2020 #40

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But you can't articulate why you think that is? ehrnst Apr 2020 #108

You Can Vote For The Man Anyway, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #48

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Is That An Open Declaration That You Will, Sir? The Magistrate Apr 2020 #54

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It May Come As A Surprise To You, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #104

+1000 ehrnst Apr 2020 #109

Pessimism? True Blue American Apr 2020 #84

Bingo! betsuni Apr 2020 #90

No, it is defeatism of the worst kind. John Fante Apr 2020 #92

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This kind of vague "concern" usually has something else at the root. ehrnst Apr 2020 #42

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It certainly ehrnst Apr 2020 #111

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No one ehrnst Apr 2020 #117

You have your opinion, I completely disagree. Blue_true Apr 2020 #55

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From your post True Blue American Apr 2020 #101

The "process" includes voting, and that is where it has largely failed. TwilightZone Apr 2020 #11

They were deluded by their own rallies which were held on college campuses la-trucker Apr 2020 #16

But rowdy rallies certainly do make one feel very validated... ehrnst Apr 2020 #41

You forgot the awesome rock bands at the rallies. nt TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #62

Lucky for us the rally goers couldn't Cha Apr 2020 #94

I completely agree. Blue_true Apr 2020 #56

Funny how all those young people True Blue American Apr 2020 #85

The subject was his POTUS run, and the article mentioned some sucsesses. ehrnst Apr 2020 #18

Telling them everything's rigged and everyone's corrupt and both parties are the same. betsuni Apr 2020 #20

+1000. ehrnst Apr 2020 #23

I agree with Roy Delfino: betsuni Apr 2020 #58

Joe Biden "brought more people into the Process" this time & Cha Apr 2020 #26

That's terrific. But look, a lot of people lost... Alex4Martinez Apr 2020 #43

Number of registered voters in Texas: TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #59

Beto Effect More Effective than the BS effect in Texas! Cha Apr 2020 #63

Also, I think people think we can have more that two parties "in power" at a time ismnotwasm Apr 2020 #7

That and all kinds of "division" against the Dem Party from my view.. Cha Apr 2020 #13

The message was delivered in an angry, combative fashion la-trucker Apr 2020 #15

Exactly. Scurrilous Apr 2020 #66

KICK! Cha Apr 2020 #19

Because the media would rather mock "kooky", "cranky" Bernie than engage with his point. meadowlander Apr 2020 #21

So it's "the media's" failure, and not Sanders? ehrnst Apr 2020 #24

The primaries are over. meadowlander Apr 2020 #32

Look in a mirror yourself. ehrnst Apr 2020 #33

What are you hoping to accomplish with this thread? meadowlander Apr 2020 #36

I guess learning from one's mistakes isn't something that you see value in? ehrnst Apr 2020 #38

If You Would Like Greater Influence For Progressives In The Party, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #53

+1000 Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #76

That's right.. the primaries are Over. This is the Cha Apr 2020 #95

Yes, he's wrong about a lot of things. betsuni Apr 2020 #22

Yes he was. Scurrilous Apr 2020 #61

Why did Bernie Sanders drop out? The progressive majority he needed doesn't exist Gothmog Apr 2020 #25

Ya think? LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #27

EGGS-ACTLY This! n/t MFGsunny Apr 2020 #28

They were so extremely wrong in many ways because of Hortensis Apr 2020 #30

THeir Mean Mouths? Me. Apr 2020 #45

:) Hortensis Apr 2020 #70

Extremists on both sides are so deluded due to living in a bubble 24/7. Lanius Apr 2020 #67

Oh, yes. Reality's pretty clear and simple to them. Hortensis Apr 2020 #77

Let's Just Call It Me. Apr 2020 #44

I'm interested in this idea of "education divides" ck4829 Apr 2020 #47

The "diploma divide" is much more important than income level. betsuni Apr 2020 #57

Excellent article. Scurrilous Apr 2020 #60

Pure Sanders, though. I don't doubt his hard-wiring to LW class Hortensis Apr 2020 #69

Have any of you read," Hillbilly Elegy"? True Blue American Apr 2020 #87

Yep. Scurrilous Apr 2020 #119

I believe that Sanders was a "true" Socialist... brooklynite Apr 2020 #64

I think that it was pretty evident when Bernie was interviewed by Seth Meyers this past week. TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #65

538-Did Sanders Blow It For The Democratic Left? Or Was The Nomination Always Out Of Reach? Gothmog Apr 2020 #68

Bernie's likable enough ConnorMarc Apr 2020 #75

No, Bernie is not True Blue American Apr 2020 #88

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I find him grating. Codeine Apr 2020 #106

He wasn't a mensch. People who value character could see. Beakybird Apr 2020 #78

I have no real skin in the game, being unable to vote in USA elections.... uriel1972 Apr 2020 #80

You can blame True Blue American Apr 2020 #89

Ehrnst True Blue American Apr 2020 #81

+1000. ehrnst Apr 2020 #107

Beating trump is all that matters now. Paladin Apr 2020 #115

we are about to learn (a lesson that we continually fail to learn) rampartc Apr 2020 #86

What do you mean by "identity politics"? betsuni Apr 2020 #96

I don't think it had anything to do with that Snake Plissken Apr 2020 #91

Bernie failed because he is not a Democrat. LiberalBrooke Apr 2020 #97

Running against the party doesn't help, either. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2020 #99

Time to stop worrying about Bernie Sanders, concentrate on destroying Donald Trump UCmeNdc Apr 2020 #102

Not worried at all. True Blue American Apr 2020 #103

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. ehrnst Apr 2020 #118

imho Maxheader Apr 2020 #105