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H2O Man

(79,424 posts)
48. Interesting.
Sat Apr 18, 2020, 12:41 PM
Apr 2020

I agree with much of what you are saying .....more accurately, "most" of what you are saying. And there is nothing that you've said that I really disagree with. But, being an old man who is postponing my early afternoon walk due to the snow that fell last night, let me explain where I see some minor differences.

I agree 100% that we are not dealing with "an intelligent, moral, compassionate, and lawful president and administration." Gracious! Life would be so much less complicated if we were! In late February, I posted my interview with Yale's top forensic psychologist, Dr. Bandy Lee, the author/editor of "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump." The interview focused upon the fact that Trump is a sociopath, and references Erich Fromm's works, which identify the types of dangerous people a sociopath surrounds himself with if and when they rise to political power.

It is important to recognize not only that, but the socio-political environment which allows such a tumor upon society to grow. This is, in my opinion, essential for providing the context for how we can and should interpret the Constitution. In that sense, your focus on the November elections is spot-on, and surely of huge significance.

The Constitution provides for more than dealing with intelligent, moral, compassionate, and lawful presidents. The example of impeachment being included is obviously the clearest proof, though not the only tool available. It's true that not a single president has ever resigned because of public actions that fall under Amendment 1, yet the Founding Fathers included those protections for important reasons. They knew that a "bad" president would seek to limit those rights, and punish those who exercised them.

Nixon resigned because the republicans in the House and Senate were responding to his growing unpopularity, his chronic lying being exposed, and his inability to function properly as chief executive -- the synergy of which insured impeachment and conviction. Along side of that, those republicans recognized that Nixon had become a ball & chain that greatly reduced the chances of their party remaining in its current position in the next election. While the public protests were not the only factor that made this evident to them, it was the most visible.

What our friend is suggesting is not geared towards sending Trump a message. We can safely take that right off the table. Yet it is a way to exercise Amendment 1 -- in a much more rational manne, for example, than Trump & Co's ranting about Amendment 2. It allows people to send a message to the republicans in DC (even though almost all will ignore it), and to focus upon expanding the interest in the necessary voter participation that is essential come November.

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I wrote to him a month ago suggesting this exact thing BigmanPigman Apr 2020 #1
I'm shocked he didn't take you up coeur_de_lion Apr 2020 #4
Sorry, but I've got to go with "Dumb Idea". Totally Tunsie Apr 2020 #2
If we got a million signatures? coeur_de_lion Apr 2020 #3
You may as well use it for TP. Totally Tunsie Apr 2020 #5
But meanwhile we do nothing? coeur_de_lion Apr 2020 #6
Patience, Grasshopper. November 3 is exactly 200 days away. Totally Tunsie Apr 2020 #8
But a piece of paper is better than fucking nothing coeur_de_lion Apr 2020 #11
Good luck with your efforts. Let us know how it turns out. Totally Tunsie Apr 2020 #15
A piece of paper isn't "better than fucking nothing" Codeine Apr 2020 #29
If I understand your H2O Man Apr 2020 #31
Thanks H coeur_de_lion Apr 2020 #32
Sure. H2O Man Apr 2020 #47
Thanks again H coeur_de_lion Apr 2020 #49
If we were dealing with an intelligent, moral, compassionate, and lawful Totally Tunsie Apr 2020 #39
Interesting. H2O Man Apr 2020 #48
No, it's not "better than nothing"...it's nothing brooklynite Apr 2020 #37
Well we had 65,000,000 vote against him fescuerescue Apr 2020 #20
Yes It Is Me. Apr 2020 #35
All it will do is expose our real names as associated with this site, to get released to RW lunatics TheBlackAdder Apr 2020 #14
You're preaching to the choir. This needs to be addressed to the OP. Totally Tunsie Apr 2020 #18
Yep. Tipperary Apr 2020 #33
Maybe we could write him a polite letter requesting his resignation. Crunchy Frog Apr 2020 #7
Isn't action better than inaction? coeur_de_lion Apr 2020 #9
Then the newspaper AND the petition could be used for TP. Totally Tunsie Apr 2020 #12
Yes, take action. Shelter at home if you can. Crunchy Frog Apr 2020 #22
A petition isn't "action". Codeine Apr 2020 #30
Please, please tell me there is a silent sarcasm emoji in your post! Totally Tunsie Apr 2020 #10
No Tunsie coeur_de_lion Apr 2020 #13
Yes, of course there is. It is all true though. Crunchy Frog Apr 2020 #16
LOL Crunchy, that would at least help to bail out the USPS. Totally Tunsie Apr 2020 #24
Yea that will do it fescuerescue Apr 2020 #17
We can make a dent coeur_de_lion Apr 2020 #19
This is more than kvetching and didn't make a blip on his radar. Totally Tunsie Apr 2020 #26
Good point coeur_de_lion Apr 2020 #27
Really, coeur_de_lion, my comments aren't meant to personally Totally Tunsie Apr 2020 #28
We vote 11/3 coeur_de_lion Apr 2020 #40
Still, a petition isn't going to be the miracle cure. Totally Tunsie Apr 2020 #41
Listen sweet pea coeur_de_lion Apr 2020 #42
Sweet pea? Aren't we geting a little petty? Totally Tunsie Apr 2020 #43
Sweet Pea coeur_de_lion Apr 2020 #44
Follow your own advice: Totally Tunsie Apr 2020 #45
Can it. coeur_de_lion Apr 2020 #46
Wouldn't matter. TwilightZone Apr 2020 #21
We are in a catch 22 bdamomma Apr 2020 #23
If you want to do something you could try and go out and convince new people to vote blue dustyscamp Apr 2020 #25
I voted pass. It might be a feel good thing and God knows we need reasons to feel good right now. totodeinhere Apr 2020 #34
We could do many pointless things... brooklynite Apr 2020 #36
Trump & lieutenants don't even respond to subpoenas. VOX Apr 2020 #38
Pass - Because e-petitions are feel-good, no-impact things. But, you thirst for action... ck4829 Apr 2020 #50
This looks like a really good read coeur_de_lion Apr 2020 #51
I think we should start sending him rubber dicks... nt. Hotler Apr 2020 #52
LOL I like how you think! coeur_de_lion Apr 2020 #53
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