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141. Let's explain the concept of bail: one puts up cash or a guarantee to pay cash, to witness

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 02:06 AM

Sep 2012

that the accused will appear in court as ordered, and one forfeits the cash or pays the guarantee, in case of appearance default by the accused

The notion is simple. The agreement typically includes no fine print: shyster games -- such as holding one in technical default if one fails to say "Mother, may I?" before eating Beano in a month without Rs -- are seldom seen in the Land of Bail. And in any case, those who put up cash, or guarantee to pay cash, usually have advice from clever counselors who will explain, in advance and in detail, the exact meaning of "If the accused fails to appear in court as ordered, you will forfeit your cash and/or pay the guarantee"

So bail is not, under usual understandings, anything like a bilk or a scam or a swindle

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It's all about him, isn't it? Every damn fucking thing. randome Sep 2012 #1

Except it doesn't come from him. Assange does not tweet for Wikileaks. I thought we Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #14

Thank-you. robinlynne Sep 2012 #21

Using the logic Wikileaks posited, Assange's failure to condemn the tweet is tacit approval of it. msanthrope Sep 2012 #35

I wonder if he's got restrictions on his internet activities while a guest of the Ecuadorans... SidDithers Sep 2012 #51

I wonder if the people he bilked 340k from are able to contact him there. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #56

"... Henry Blaxland QC representing four .. backers, said none .. could they reach him ..." struggle4progress Sep 2012 #129

You've any eviidence that they feel they've been bilked... Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #131

We can listen to Vaughn Smith, at whose home Assange stayed before skipping off to the embassy struggle4progress Sep 2012 #134

Well, there you go. One person who expressed regret. $356,000 other regrets to go. Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #136

Still looking for that bilked thingy, Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #140

Here's Jemima Khan, surprised: struggle4progress Sep 2012 #137

Nine who provided sureties had counsel before the court last week, ready to argue struggle4progress Sep 2012 #138

Um, that only reveals that they feel that they've been biilked by the state, not Assange. Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #139

Let's explain the concept of bail: one puts up cash or a guarantee to pay cash, to witness struggle4progress Sep 2012 #141

They are suing the state. Not Assange. Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #142

Doesn't look like they're suing to me. joshcryer Sep 2012 #143

... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original struggle4progress Sep 2012 #69

Struggle4progress has been on a torch-and-pitchfork crusade for some time now Scootaloo Sep 2012 #128

It's true that progressives expect a higher degree of accuracy. But DU is a big tent. Zorra Sep 2012 #145

OK, stick a fork in him, he's done Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #2

That would make sense if HE wrote it but he didn't. The Wikileaks tweet account is not Assange. Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #17

OK, I can accept that Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #40

Don't hold your breath. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #57

If you followed the story, Wikileaks has already removed the tweet and issued Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #80

... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original struggle4progress Sep 2012 #70

The current Wikileaks spokesperson is Kristinn Hrafnsson. Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #83

Is Hrafnsson responsible for the drunken tweets from Wikileaks at this link? msanthrope Sep 2012 #105

Perhaps. Or it could have been a un-named chinese Wikileaks Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #121

He's not going to make any friends with that statement! nt Firebrand Gary Sep 2012 #3

Well, that's a relief because Assange did not write it. It was posted by the Wikileaks twitter Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #25

Good to know. Thanks! Firebrand Gary Sep 2012 #28

... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original struggle4progress Sep 2012 #71

Yes. That was two years ago. The current spokesperson is Kristinn Hrafnsson. Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #85

Spokesperson Birgitta Jonsdottir stepped down, concerned about Assange's iron grip. Then struggle4progress Sep 2012 #95

That thief and destoyer of the banking info was fired. Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #118

If you want to stipulate Assange fired Domscheit-Berg for disagreeing with him, it's fine with me: struggle4progress Sep 2012 #132

Anon. has a point. There's been a generalized breakdown in norms as the whole intl playing field leveymg Sep 2012 #4

Doesn't explain the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq embassays before Assange. joshcryer Sep 2012 #67

oh dear. that is narcissistic as hell. cali Sep 2012 #5

Well, Assange didn't post that on twitter. Wikileaks did. Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #27

... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original struggle4progress Sep 2012 #72

Spamming your own thread... ljm2002 Sep 2012 #146

Thanks for this, struggleforprogress.. Cha Sep 2012 #147

Well, he is a dipshit. TwilightGardener Sep 2012 #6

I don't think Assange is well. I don't think he's been well for a long, LONG time. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #7

I've always thought so as well. 11cents Sep 2012 #9

Which is exactly why one has to be selective as to who one hitches one's wagon to. I predict a.... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #13

Yes. You should be embarassed by the OP and the fact that you trusted the disinformation. Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #38

... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original struggle4progress Sep 2012 #74

^^^ THIS ^^^!!!! Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #86

Thank you doctor for offering a prognosis based on evidence that came from someone other Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #29

Using the logic Wikileaks posited, Assange's failure to condemn the tweet is tacit approval of it. msanthrope Sep 2012 #37

Since I don't agree with the logic, I wouldn't draw such conclusions. Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #43

The poor dear: the spotlight shifted away from HIM for a while. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2012 #8

Then you should direct your insults to the organization. The Wikileakds twitter account is not Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #20

Do you know that for a fact? Lizzie Poppet Sep 2012 #42

Because I know and I won't answer how. Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #44

Oh my star and whiskers! Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #47

Then please understand that I see no reason to accept your claim as factual. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2012 #52

But you accept the OP. It is up to the accuser to prove the accusation. And there are very few Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #87

Why? Do *you* run the WL Twitter account? Robb Sep 2012 #68

I'll await an "honest" answer to your query. Although, I won't be holding my breath. Afterall.... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #92

You being Prince Harry would sure answer a lot of questions! Robb Sep 2012 #104

LoL! Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #108

Do you like Cha Sep 2012 #148

That's a Dick Cheney answer. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #77

Actually, the onus is 100% on the accuser to prove the accusation. Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #91

... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original struggle4progress Sep 2012 #75

He's desperately trying to stay relevant... SidDithers Sep 2012 #10

I say February, when either the first hint of Spring hits or... randome Sep 2012 #11

"He's desperately trying to stay relevant..."! Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #16

THANK YOU. The "Glen Beck of the Left" fits perfectly. Care Acutely Sep 2012 #63

They're both assholes. Hard to know which one smells worse. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #65

Depends on which one is in the vicinity I guess. I was a supervisor for the last census, Care Acutely Sep 2012 #93

+1 I expect this to happen treestar Sep 2012 #111

The tweet comes from Wikilieaks. Not Assange. Grow up. Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #12

Prove it. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #59

The OP is making the accusation. The onus is on the OP to prove it. Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #62

The OP is not making any accusation. The OP quoted a news story that said Assange did it. You msanthrope Sep 2012 #66

The OP in this case, means the original post. Assange is not currently the spokesperson for Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #94

Hrafnssons was drunk tweeting AGAIN? So these other tweets are him, too? : msanthrope Sep 2012 #103

And does not the organization's leader have to take responsibility treestar Sep 2012 #113

Who is the leader of Wikileaks right now? Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #119

You're the one making the claim that the leader/founder/philospher/janitor treestar Sep 2012 #112

Yep. He is no longer the spokesperson. Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #120

... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original struggle4progress Sep 2012 #76

fuck him. nt seabeyond Sep 2012 #15

Thanks for providing more anti-Assange propaganda, demonstrating your bizarre obsession with him MNBrewer Sep 2012 #18

And he had to post someone else's lie in order to smear Assange. The quoted tweet did not come from Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #24

The anti-Assange is strong in this one, MNBrewer Sep 2012 #31

... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original struggle4progress Sep 2012 #78

This is just a tweet HE put out! treestar Sep 2012 #115

You really have a man crush on Assange...every one movonne Sep 2012 #19

And Assange didn't even say it. It was posted by the Wikileaks twitter account which is not Assange. Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #22

Notice that the usual anti-Assange suspects are ignoring that information brentspeak Sep 2012 #26

Its to be expected. When 15% of Ohians think that Romney had something to do Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #33

Well, now you've kind of insulted me and called me stupid Kelvin Mace Sep 2012 #45

Nope. I have accused you of believing that Assange said something with Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #122

Yeah, what's your stake in Assange? randome Sep 2012 #49

Same stake that I had with Ellsberg. I was ant-war from age 10 Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #125

. Joe Shlabotnik Sep 2012 #53

... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original struggle4progress Sep 2012 #89

... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original struggle4progress Sep 2012 #79

Fuck him. name not needed Sep 2012 #23

Ding! Ding! Ding! Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #30

Welp. He didn't say it. If you had read the article you would have realized that it Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #34

... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original struggle4progress Sep 2012 #81

First Nicki Minaj, now Julian Assange...Mitt's getting all the key endorsements! reformist2 Sep 2012 #32

It wasn't Assange. The OP is incorrect. But I expect you know that and don't care. Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #36

No, I do care. I read the first paragraph, and it sounded like he sent the tweet. reformist2 Sep 2012 #48

As you have pointed out, personal feelings for the man are not germane. Thanks. nt Bonobo Sep 2012 #39

Whoever wrote that is an asshole. Curtland1015 Sep 2012 #41

You realize this guy is just an attention whore with a giant ego, right? renie408 Sep 2012 #46

... LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #50

Fuck off, Assange. MineralMan Sep 2012 #54

DU rec...nt SidDithers Sep 2012 #55

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #58

Could you or them post some proof of the statement that Assange doesn't have access to Wikileaks msanthrope Sep 2012 #60

... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original struggle4progress Sep 2012 #82

FUCK YOU JULIAN you narcissistic piece of shit. Care Acutely Sep 2012 #61

Dumbest thing I've read all day WilliamPitt Sep 2012 #64

@wikileaks is ... trolling. Robb Sep 2012 #73

Must have missed where the UK brought out the rocket launcher.... McCamy Taylor Sep 2012 #84

... Robb Sep 2012 #90

Not that I'm a fan of Assange, I'd like proof that he really said this. n/t cynatnite Sep 2012 #88

Good luck with that. Like your average Fox News viewer, the anti-wikileaks folks Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #96

Call me an anti-wikileaks person and I am no Fox News viewer... cynatnite Sep 2012 #97

... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original struggle4progress Sep 2012 #98

Well, I meant that his actual name was attached. n/t cynatnite Sep 2012 #100

Well, it's his secret organization, and he ran off everbody who questioned him -- so I can't see struggle4progress Sep 2012 #102

I wonder who did these drunk tweets--- msanthrope Sep 2012 #106

The OP has a thing about Assange and Cleita Sep 2012 #99

Someone needs to tweet back "Recommend increasing the dosage for Assange, No good? Then decrease! BootinUp Sep 2012 #101

!!! Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #107

Some more tweets that nobody wants to claim ownership of-- msanthrope Sep 2012 #109

Aw Jeez. You think they were "hacked"? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #117

If by 'hacked' you mean 'drank a shit-load of whiskey and posted crap in the middle of the night' msanthrope Sep 2012 #123

!!! Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #124

If there's a way he can make it about him, he will treestar Sep 2012 #110

Shame on you for using this tragedy to promote your hatred of Assange. nt Comrade_McKenzie Sep 2012 #114

Yes, this poster has no shame. Cleita Sep 2012 #127

Wow, so you just out and out lied, huh? Bonobo Sep 2012 #116

I posted a short excerpt with a link. YMMV struggle4progress Sep 2012 #126

She don't need no stinkin' evidence. Cleita Sep 2012 #130

The link does include screen-shots: struggle4progress Sep 2012 #135

What's with the "puzzlement" icon? Bonobo Sep 2012 #144

I am so F***ing sick of him I could barf. What a prima donna. His 15 minutes are long over. n/t Hamlette Sep 2012 #133