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socialindependocrat

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26. They may be afraid of change - fear that it is not for the better..
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:04 AM
Sep 2012

I am 60 yrs old. When I was in high school we were protesting the Vietnam war
(among other things). My mother said, "I know you kids are tring to make changes
but do you have to try to change everything at the same time?" She was afraid of
the changes we were asking for.

As a liberal I look at change as "continuous improvement". We constantly make changes
to make life better (I guess you could say that's being an optomist).

One of the things that annoys me is to hear people suggesting radicle change. I feel that
we need to look at where we are now and where we want to be and make a plan to
change over a period of time to reach our goals. I get miffed when I hear the Repubs
say they are going to recind Obamacare (now Mitt is saying that there are certain things in Obamacare that are worthwhile.) If they would make a plan where both parties agreed
on the final goal they could make plans to make stepwise changes to get from here to there.
But, the Repukes have decided to block anything that makes the Pres look good (even is they
agree with the change) just to get him out of office. Personally I think we should see this
as a hate crime - it's prejudice and at the least it is doing nothing, if not hurting, the American
people.

Last point: I had friends at work who complained about the "socialistic" aspects of Obamacare
until I pointed out that we require hospitals to treat people without health insurance and
then the hospitals claim the loss on their taxes and the government reimburses them by
giving them a tax credit for the loss - So, the American people are paying for the treatment
of the uninsured anyway - which is socialistic.

If we want to cut down on the abuse of the programs we have for the poor we need to make
stepwise changes to get us from here to there but when they talk about cutting medicare and
social security and all programs for the poor it seeems like a drastict change that will leave people dying in the streets and is very uncaring of the poor, the sick and the elderly.

Four more years!

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If you think that's weird wait until you meet the contingent of pro-Obama folks Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2012 #1
... Comrade_McKenzie Sep 2012 #59
Avoid them until after the election. They are too far gone to help. JoePhilly Sep 2012 #2
Sadly, you are correct! Dannyteague Sep 2012 #6
Obama is a symbol of a changing America. JoePhilly Sep 2012 #9
Well said. Teabaggers shorten that down to "We want our country back." pampango Sep 2012 #19
agree. nt JoePhilly Sep 2012 #21
good Vietnameravet Sep 2012 #58
That was perfect! Indpndnt Sep 2012 #71
+1 Scuba Sep 2012 #7
Friends in person, yes. But dump them online. fleur-de-lisa Sep 2012 #3
I have a wingnut or 2 that I maintain a relationship with. Jackpine Radical Sep 2012 #4
Your option to remain friends. Depends upon if your position bothers *them*. no_hypocrisy Sep 2012 #5
These are otherwise intelligent people. Dannyteague Sep 2012 #11
Same with my dad. no_hypocrisy Sep 2012 #14
To put it simply, Cognitive Dissonance MrScorpio Sep 2012 #8
That makes sense to me. savalez Sep 2012 #48
Hey You mstinamotorcity2 Sep 2012 #50
Great post Vietnameravet Sep 2012 #60
Tribalism RDANGELO Sep 2012 #10
They are like the tea baggers in Congress. Dannyteague Sep 2012 #13
Exactly what I have found bhikkhu Sep 2012 #41
Of course stay friends! socialindependocrat Sep 2012 #12
They are amazed anyone could be "liberal." Dannyteague Sep 2012 #18
They may be afraid of change - fear that it is not for the better.. socialindependocrat Sep 2012 #26
There is, here is a study on that ... RKP5637 Sep 2012 #30
"Liberal" means you believe that people are generally good bhikkhu Sep 2012 #42
So many churches make people into right wingers. Dannyteague Sep 2012 #61
I hear you. tosh Sep 2012 #15
i work with a man barbtries Sep 2012 #62
Sounds like they sit around and watch Fox News. nt Barack_America Sep 2012 #16
I too was baffled but now I see it as a..... Bonhomme Richard Sep 2012 #17
I'd stay friends but every once in a while to maintain sanity and because you might make treestar Sep 2012 #20
I have friends just like them CanonRay Sep 2012 #22
They are authoritarian followers. There's nothing you can do. Walk away. TrogL Sep 2012 #23
Conservative TV and radio with the churches to back them up canoeist52 Sep 2012 #24
Not possible. HopeHoops Sep 2012 #25
Just tell them you cannot be friends with bigots who have hate in their heart. Ian David Sep 2012 #27
"truly good people who are misinformed" marions ghost Sep 2012 #36
I'm going to be visiting an Aunt and Uncle in the next couple of weeks...... Swede Atlanta Sep 2012 #28
Good Luck marions ghost Sep 2012 #38
Wacked out from religion, and can't think for themselves! dmosh42 Sep 2012 #29
These folks sound very much like my Flashmann Sep 2012 #31
no riverwalker Sep 2012 #32
simple luckyleftyme2 Sep 2012 #33
What church? raouldukelives Sep 2012 #34
My mother and both sisters fit this description. peace13 Sep 2012 #35
How can we expect those folks to be normal after watching Fox day after day? marions ghost Sep 2012 #39
I am not currently in the market to forgive her. peace13 Sep 2012 #43
I understand ruthless people marions ghost Sep 2012 #45
Thank you for these kind words. peace13 Sep 2012 #67
Sir, Xyzse Sep 2012 #37
They are probably buying to the narrative reflection Sep 2012 #40
Family and friends kctim Sep 2012 #44
Can you be with them an not discuss politics? I worked with a woman like that for many years. jillan Sep 2012 #46
Personally, I couldn't do it, but it sounds like you have more tolerance for that sort of stuff. Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #47
A lot of very nice people don't have a f*ckin' clue about anything... LeftinOH Sep 2012 #49
Ask them if they think the tax rates below are socialist: JHB Sep 2012 #51
it's up to you. barbtries Sep 2012 #52
You have to decide for yourself. bluerum Sep 2012 #53
If you like bigoted people and think that's 'truly nice' then don't know what to tell you. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #54
Ask them to read news/commentary from opposing viewpoints. reformist2 Sep 2012 #55
i have to admit though barbtries Sep 2012 #66
I can't look at Drudge/Fox, but I do read the WSJ - it is maddening, but I do it. reformist2 Sep 2012 #68
my boss reads that barbtries Sep 2012 #69
The WSJ is turning hard right, but the good news is their arguments are more pathetic than ever. reformist2 Sep 2012 #70
I have very clear feelings where this dilemma is concerned: LuckyLib Sep 2012 #56
You can, but maybe you need to talk about politics when you are around them. Cleita Sep 2012 #57
What I find about friends like them mstinamotorcity2 Sep 2012 #63
I'm sure some Nazis were fine upstanding churchgoing folks also, and probably even felt a twinge of Zorra Sep 2012 #64
Fascinating thread. I'm in a similar situation and like the comments. Populist_Prole Sep 2012 #65
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