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DeterDeter

(70 posts)
84. I've tried to give journalists the benefit of the doubt
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 07:02 AM
Apr 2020

that they are not acting on bad faith. While Chris Hayes is obviously all in for Bernie, I will try to give him the benefit of the doubt too, but I feel like the media also has an obligation to report on some aspects of the account that are the most problematic, and I have not seen a lot of that. I think that many are uncomfortable with the idea of seeming to smear a woman-in some cases, it ends up being a rather performative display of lending more credibility to the charges than I feel like they deserve. And then some (yes, in left wing media like the Intercept and Current Affairs) are absolutely acting on bath faith with this, and have shown themselves to be actively manipulating things behind the scenes-Current Affairs reporter admitting to advising Tara and her brother who not to speak to/return comments to, talking to the brother before his story "clean up"-, etc. These are the people who are high on their own supply and clearly think that this is their chance to get Bernie in. Here are the things that I think the media who is trying to act in good faith should be clear about:

1.) The Biden camp has denied it, and has welcomed it to be investigated.

2.) The changed story from last year-Tara claims that she tried to get further into it with the newspaper and was "shut down"-however, don't reporters have an obligation to mention that she had said last year "I want to emphasize that it's not Biden himself", it's his staff, that this wasn't a story about sexual misconduct, and that she didn't consider the shoulder touching to be sexual but compared it/the experience to being a "lamp" that gets thrown away? Victims can incrementally tell their stories, but that is sure of a heck different than emphasizing specifically that the problem was not with Biden himself.

3.) I'd be willing to give, for purposes of this, the benefit of the doubt that Tara did have a negative experience in the workplace that she considered to be sexual harassment. She says that she filed a complaint with the non-partisan senate personnel office at the time (about sexual harassment and not assault). The Times investigated and hasn't been able to find it. In order for a complaint to be "disappeared" like this, you have to take a big leap of faith and assume that a conspiracy had occurred to remove this complaint from the records that somehow escaped the VP investigative vetting. I don't think that people fully grasp how thorough the VP vetting that occurs is. Hilariously, Ben Smith is suggesting that Biden release his "personal papers" from his time in the Senate, as if that would contain anything about a complaint.

4.) One thing that really bothers me about all of the neighbor corroboration reporting from this week is that it is described as independent corroboration. This neighbor was not included on the original list of people who the Times/Post reached out to, provided by Tara. Business Insider describes it as the first case of independent corroboration, and then (under the article paywall mind you), the article itself with the neighbor is a little weird. When the reporter asks how it came up, she said "Tara called me and said 'This Joe Biden thing is coming up again', and I said 'oh, that. I had forgotten about it'!" That just comes off as exquisitely strange for one-so is the neighbor saying that she didn't think this "would be such a big thing". How in the hell could someone forget something like that? I'm not sure that Tara calling the neighbor and "reminding" her about the incident that the neighbor had "forgotten" about should be considered exactly as independent corroboration. Then again, why would the neighbor lie? The neighbor says that she lives a quiet life. I will give her the benefit of the doubt that she can remember something that Tara told her about her time in DC, but I feel like you must literally suspend disbelief to "forget" about something like that when Joe Biden has been VP for eight years.

5.) Do reporters have an obligation to report that (not only does she seem to be a mere fan/supporter of Bernie) she appears to be a Bernie SUPER-fan? They sure seem to want to emphasize that the neighbor says that she will vote for Biden. Supporting Bernie does not make her story untrue, but it does seem a little strange to claim that you get your only news from your son and David Sirota. Furthermore, do reporters have an obligation to report on the "tick tock" tweet to Ryan Grim of the Intercept? Left wing Bernie twitter has been an ugly place. I will not say that it is representative of all of Bernie supporters of course, but his supporters literally had a different smear about Biden each week. He had dementia. He was sun downing. He secretly had COVID. He was too unhealthy to stand up at the debate. These were things that were repeated by David Sirota, who Tara supposedly "got all her news" from. This was a world that Tara must have been entrenched in. This does not mean that her account is untrue, but I think that it should be considered and disclosed.

Why is he contributing to another distraction?!?!? BigmanPigman Apr 2020 #1
I can no more believe this about Joe Biden than I could... 3catwoman3 Apr 2020 #2
He had on Rebecca Traister who I thought SharonClark Apr 2020 #3
What I've read from Traister has been very anti-Biden, and like the others peddling this nonsense, highplainsdem Apr 2020 #9
as with all this shit they depend on democraats to stupidly continue to ignore talk radio as certainot Apr 2020 #36
Here's an interesting thread about Reade/Moulton GoneOffShore Apr 2020 #91
Summer Zervos zbartz Apr 2020 #4
Remember, Hayes is a Sanders supporter. Many of them were actively pushing... brush Apr 2020 #5
BINGO!! Squidly Apr 2020 #32
+1 betsuni Apr 2020 #69
Chris Hayes wants nothing more than to see Trump defeated DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #71
Sure... Then why is he playing this up? GoneOffShore Apr 2020 #87
Hayes tries to give a fair hearing to all sides of a story DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #88
Yeah - Fair and Balanced. GoneOffShore Apr 2020 #90
I love him and his show but needs to wise up to being used or destructive with this issue nt lostnfound Apr 2020 #92
Hayes' wife worked in the Obama WH counsel's office DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #93
Just checking in from yesterday. Corgigal Apr 2020 #6
Exactly seta1950 Apr 2020 #29
What about the neighbor uponit7771 Apr 2020 #7
The neighbor who was likely told a lie SharonClark Apr 2020 #12
True, if Reade had been consistent the neighbors story would be more credible. Its Reade that's not uponit7771 Apr 2020 #16
Or is a liar herself. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #24
Something BGBD Apr 2020 #53
And how exactly could she support Biden if Reade told her this? She has got an axe to grind. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #62
That's such BGBD Apr 2020 #82
There are delusional Sanders supporters who hope Biden can be forced out and then Sanders will be highplainsdem Apr 2020 #8
That is exactly what is happening. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #64
Chris"There's still hope for Bernie" Hayes. He'll never regain my trust oasis Apr 2020 #10
It doesn't even matter, there are 12 women the DNC can... budkin Apr 2020 #11
Well Maybe Kristen G should ask Joe to step aside montanacowboy Apr 2020 #13
Yep, Gillibrand can play the same role she did in the Al Franken debacle. brush Apr 2020 #37
Kristen Gillibrand is actually sticking up for Biden kcr Apr 2020 #42
Kirsten Gillibrand on Tara Reade allegation: 'I support Vice President Biden' PunkinPi Apr 2020 #86
I've always liked Chris Hayes, but I have to admit that he pissed me off tonight too. skylucy Apr 2020 #14
I see what's going on. Kingofalldems Apr 2020 #15
They have a long record of throwing stillcool Apr 2020 #17
Chris Hayes Should Look in the Mirror and Take his Own Damn Advice.. Cha Apr 2020 #18
I see a flaky dishonest woman who praised Biden's Hortensis Apr 2020 #19
This is what I keep thinking about. betsuni Apr 2020 #81
:) Can't help smiling, but yuck too. I turned off on The Onion Hortensis Apr 2020 #89
I don't think this will hurt Biden that much Steelrolled Apr 2020 #20
She is not credible...and I doubt it hurt either. Biden is a known quantity. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #26
I used to think that qazplm135 Apr 2020 #34
That is not true. There is no credibility. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #65
Hayes qazplm135 Apr 2020 #74
Terribly disappointing. TomSlick Apr 2020 #21
He is all in for Sanders. I watched his show forever. But I stopped during the primary and Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #25
Yeah but, TomSlick Apr 2020 #27
There are some Sanders supporters even here- who can not accept that he will not be the Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #68
I stopped watching his show. Chris hates Biden and is a disappointed Sanders supporter. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #22
Chris Hayes has just lost all my respect for him. Done. nt crickets Apr 2020 #23
+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2020 #46
He certainly did his credibility no good. TomSlick Apr 2020 #95
Yes exactly seta1950 Apr 2020 #28
Chris was off his compass tonight. ancianita Apr 2020 #30
The hack could interview a dozen Trump accusers if it's a topic that oasis Apr 2020 #31
Good op. Pepsidog Apr 2020 #33
Him and Ari Melber Green Line Apr 2020 #35
Chris Hayes probably likes Bernie's chances, believing "Bleachgate" oasis Apr 2020 #45
I could not take it and changed the channel. I had come to like Chris, but am having second thoughts. c-rational Apr 2020 #38
I haven't watched Hayes since the 2016 election cycle nini Apr 2020 #39
Thanks for sacrificing your time watching. I can't stomach him at all. I wonder about his agenda. George II Apr 2020 #40
+1 SunSeeker Apr 2020 #49
Seriously - Biden needs to file a defamation suit against Tara Reade immediately! scarletwoman Apr 2020 #41
For more information on the weak spots in Tara Reade's allegations: Sloumeau Apr 2020 #43
Ari Melber did the same thing Trumpocalypse Apr 2020 #44
Yes. And he left out the context of her changing story. hay rick Apr 2020 #60
And her love for Putin. Trumpocalypse Apr 2020 #63
Same as MSNBC's "fair" spreading of Hillary's emails, Benghazi and other false accusations Prof.Higgins Apr 2020 #47
The lives of thousands of Americans outweigh anything Ms. Reade could have to say. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #48
Is there someplace we can send him email? smirkymonkey Apr 2020 #50
Here's his Facebook page: Totally Tunsie Apr 2020 #58
Thanks Tunsie! smirkymonkey Apr 2020 #61
Give him hell! Totally Tunsie Apr 2020 #66
Write to him. Write to MSNBC. He needs the feedback. Hekate Apr 2020 #51
Definitely no more Chris Hayes viewing and possibly no Ari Melber. n/t Prof.Higgins Apr 2020 #52
I've been done with Ari for a while Green Line Apr 2020 #67
THE MEDIA ATTEMPT TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD blakstoneranger Apr 2020 #54
Colbert during midterms was my wtf moment live love laugh Apr 2020 #55
TRUMP HAS OVER $250 MILLION IN CAMPAIGN MONEY blakstoneranger Apr 2020 #56
In case anyone missed this good article on these false allegations. Here are facts ... relayerbob Apr 2020 #57
It must be dealt with now, or it will be bigger than HRC's emails in October. Nt Fiendish Thingy Apr 2020 #59
No it won't. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #72
+1 DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #73
People still watch Chris Hayes? BlueLucy Apr 2020 #70
BOYCOTT msnbc!! Thekaspervote Apr 2020 #75
Dems are in a conundrum here DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #76
I have just one question. DarleenMB Apr 2020 #77
Interesting Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2020 #78
Chris Hayes is a bro ... he hasn't gotten over his loss of the beloved Bernie. GeorgiaPeanut Apr 2020 #79
from The Palmer Report yellowdogintexas Apr 2020 #80
I only watch Rachel. She digs into stories that no one else does. Very little footage of... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2020 #83
I've tried to give journalists the benefit of the doubt DeterDeter Apr 2020 #84
THis is NOT a GOP smear job, it is a Left one obamanut2012 Apr 2020 #85
No it's both.. rockfordfile Apr 2020 #96
Chris Hayes is dead to me. End of story. (nt) Paladin Apr 2020 #94
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