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BarackTheVote

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132. Who are these "senior diplomatic sources"?
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:26 AM
Sep 2012

I doubt any of the survivors of the consulate attack have talked to this British tabloid; and how many people would definitively know that a phone call hadn't been made? Cause that's certainly what it sounds like from the Independent "exclusive story." Or, is this an insane extrapolation of what has been going around the RW echochamber already about Obama not coming to defense meetings (which is a ridiculous, scornworthy assertion), as member Laura PourMeADrink reported:

On a 2 hr drive today, I listened to a rw radio station. Their rant was:

1. Obama doesn't attend daily security briefings. (which supposedly isn't really true)

2. If Obama DID go to the briefings (instead of playing golf) he would have known there was going to be an attack.

3. Why didn't Obama arm-up ? If he had gone to briefings, he would have known about attack and could have saved those people who were killed.

4. Ergo, Obama killed those people.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021338992#post8

So, a lie based on the compression of another lie, thus creating a super lie worthy of Ryan himself!

But even if this 48-hour warning WAS true... what was the threat that was reported? And isn't it possible that the threat was already something being planned for? It WAS 9/11, after all, and all government officials in the ME must have been on high alert already! BUT--the warning COULDN'T have been the demonstrations against Innocence of Muslims, since that only went viral over the weekend.

While I'm leaning toward Laura's interpretation of events, if I were to give The Independent a HUGE benefit of the doubt, it's possible that the "stress test" had determined that the threat reported could be defended against without further back-up, and that the consulate was already prepared for a threat such as the one reported... and then were taken off-guard by the spontaneous demonstration and by some of the Libyan guards supposedly (again, giving this story the benefit of the doubt) turning their backs due to the outrage they themselves felt about the film.

This story's really a non-starter. Way too little information for us to make a determination at best, a flat-out lie at worst, and OBVIOUSLY an irresponsible, if not libelous, headline!

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The comment section has been flooded by RWers. This does not say much for the site, I guess. GreenPartyVoter Sep 2012 #1
Yep - I also noticed that... liberallibral Sep 2012 #3
"Consider the source" may apply here, then. GreenPartyVoter Sep 2012 #5
Agreed Aerows Sep 2012 #10
Well, considering it's the current headline on Drudge, it makes sense that conservatives are reading WillowTree Sep 2012 #130
The paper owned by the Russian mafia? Your concern is noted. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #2
It's owned by the Russian Mafia??? liberallibral Sep 2012 #4
Check your sources Aerows Sep 2012 #8
You could change the title to something less scandal oriented n/t flamingdem Sep 2012 #13
Or not Aerows Sep 2012 #63
Yep. The real Russian Mafia...the KGB guys turned billionaires. The guys sitting in Brighton Beach? msanthrope Sep 2012 #18
Romney screwed up so badly Aerows Sep 2012 #68
Not a tabloid. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2012 #72
Whisper Campaign Aerows Sep 2012 #92
I stand with the US Aerows Sep 2012 #6
Really need more sources before coming to a conclusion. n/t cynatnite Sep 2012 #7
Some part of it has to be true, how did they know where the "safe house" was NotThisTime Sep 2012 #9
That's what worries me... liberallibral Sep 2012 #12
Sure it does........ kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #45
LOL. tabasco Sep 2012 #11
Or no thanks Aerows Sep 2012 #14
Blasphemy! Ohio Joe Sep 2012 #44
Cher Aerows Sep 2012 #55
Cholula is truly great. tabasco Sep 2012 #142
A Story Like That Doesn't Concern You?? liberallibral Sep 2012 #15
I agree. Cause for much concern. In fact, it's so concerning that my concern is feeling concerned. Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #30
This story made you laugh out loud? You have a unique sense of humor. (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #19
No Aerows Sep 2012 #69
Terrible if true, I agree. And "The Independent" is a reputable newspaper. Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #16
I'm sorry Aerows Sep 2012 #21
My guess is that if someone in the State Department had the information, Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #26
My goodness Aerows Sep 2012 #50
Who are these "senior diplomatic sources"? BarackTheVote Sep 2012 #132
Oh boy Life Long Dem Sep 2012 #42
if it's true it wouldn't only affect Hillary it would affect Obama as head of the administration WI_DEM Sep 2012 #140
There's no doubt it was planned in advance, and not a spontaneous street mob TwilightGardener Sep 2012 #17
You have to be kidding Aerows Sep 2012 #27
Where did I say it was planned by the State Dept.? I think you're overreacting TwilightGardener Sep 2012 #32
No Aerows Sep 2012 #47
Be as disdainful as you want, I don't think members of this "spontaneous" mob knew how TwilightGardener Sep 2012 #52
Yeah, and in the end, THAT would be scarier than if it were planned. renie408 Sep 2012 #57
I'm sure the State Department arranged that Aerows Sep 2012 #61
Somebody leaked info, somebody the diplomats relied upon was not TwilightGardener Sep 2012 #66
I thought Aerows Sep 2012 #71
You know, you seem to be freaking out. renie408 Sep 2012 #74
Actually Aerows Sep 2012 #76
Well, since freaking out in this case... renie408 Sep 2012 #137
That does seem to be highly plausible, unfortunately. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #119
I disagree--unless the State Dept. or Obama himself was given TwilightGardener Sep 2012 #120
It doesn't have to be a security leak at all. What about the LOCAL guards who were guarding the Th1onein Sep 2012 #87
They would have you believe Aerows Sep 2012 #93
Slow down...they meant planned by the people who did it. Jeez...n/t renie408 Sep 2012 #48
It's too bad Aerows Sep 2012 #75
Take a deep breath...I know everyone's on edge, but truth2power Sep 2012 #88
This smells like a whisper campaign Aerows Sep 2012 #90
Just trying to clarify, here...Do you mean the idea that it wasn't spontaneous truth2power Sep 2012 #102
Smells like desperation Aerows Sep 2012 #109
I must be tired or something... truth2power Sep 2012 #123
:) Aerows Sep 2012 #124
I am indeed suspicious that a spontaneously formed mob was able TwilightGardener Sep 2012 #94
Whisper Campaign n/t Aerows Sep 2012 #97
What does that mean? I don't know what you're implying. TwilightGardener Sep 2012 #100
A whisper campaign politically Aerows Sep 2012 #104
OK. But nobody here is doing that. TwilightGardener Sep 2012 #105
No, not at all Aerows Sep 2012 #110
Well, I'm not blaming either Obama or the State Dept. Not sure who is. I saw some TwilightGardener Sep 2012 #112
This message was self-deleted by its author TwilightGardener Sep 2012 #99
I thought you might have been referring to the comments section Art_from_Ark Sep 2012 #20
"he died from smoke inhalation" ...that's right ...he was not murdered. L0oniX Sep 2012 #22
If some people attack you, start fires, causing you to die of smoke inhalation, it's still murder. Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #31
If it was planned then why would they leave it to chance? L0oniX Sep 2012 #36
Maybe the fire was set so as to drive them out into the open where they could be shot? cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #115
I thought they set his car on fire. If it were just the smoke in the area, why would he renie408 Sep 2012 #59
Right of center news paper nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #23
"The Independent" is considered left-leaning, if anything. Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #39
They are owned by a guy who used to work for the KGB. Tell me how 'independent' they are? nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #49
Exactly. As IF the KGB gave a shit about ideology. DevonRex Sep 2012 #78
But Republicans said so Aerows Sep 2012 #95
Haha. DevonRex Sep 2012 #106
Those that forget history Aerows Sep 2012 #111
If that's your argument, and Putin is ex-KGB, wouldn't they want President Obama re-elected? cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #122
It's the paper Robert Fisk and Patrick Cockburn report on the Middle East for muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #134
You are always KGB. Just like Bob Woodward will always be Naval Intelligence. Don't kid yourself-- msanthrope Sep 2012 #135
Obama didn't want to attack Iran because he didn't want the Middle East to erupt in violence.... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #24
No offense, but youre not helping darkangel218 Sep 2012 #28
I'm not blaming Obama. I blame those who want an attack on Iran. n/t Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #35
You made it sound like youre almost happy over whats happening darkangel218 Sep 2012 #51
My take: Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #53
Frankly, I don't disagree with that. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #121
Neither are you Aerows Sep 2012 #96
Oh wow, i really hope its not true darkangel218 Sep 2012 #25
Your concern over the concern posted is noted. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #38
OMC!! Ya I'm like totally concerned too!!1 RandiFan1290 Sep 2012 #43
It's not acceptable here to show any concern this close to an election. Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #58
How did i show more concern than the OP?? darkangel218 Sep 2012 #62
You posted the frowny face (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #65
You gotta be kidding me!! darkangel218 Sep 2012 #67
On matters of foreign policy crises and the Russian Mafia OWNS DevonRex Sep 2012 #73
Those two Aerows Sep 2012 #101
I concur. Nt DevonRex Sep 2012 #107
KKKarl... is that you? cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #116
Typical hyperbole... nebenaube Sep 2012 #29
The right wing is desperately trying to facilitate an October suprise. Lint Head Sep 2012 #33
It's fucking disgusting Aerows Sep 2012 #41
In other words, the right wing is willing to commit treason in order to win. Dawson Leery Sep 2012 #64
doesn't really matter if the story is true or not. Repubs will start the drumbeat and eventually Liberal_in_LA Sep 2012 #34
This worries me as well... liberallibral Sep 2012 #40
doesn't really worry me. Nothing we can do about it. That's how the right operate Liberal_in_LA Sep 2012 #46
Bullshit article Aerows Sep 2012 #37
This sounds like a plant by Republicans. Still, I hope and pray this isn't true. I doubt it is. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #54
Look at it this way. If you put them on high alert and/or send troops then you look panicky. Second oviedodem Sep 2012 #56
Federal Installations Were On Alert for 9/11 Anyway AnnieBW Sep 2012 #60
I stand with my president and his SoS reflection Sep 2012 #70
Me too Aerows Sep 2012 #79
Un-named sources Mutiny In Heaven Sep 2012 #77
Exactly Aerows Sep 2012 #82
Or an ex-KGB op doing a favor for the Kremlin. Nt DevonRex Sep 2012 #83
Who are the "senior diplomatic sources"? Jennicut Sep 2012 #84
Exactly. Mutiny In Heaven Sep 2012 #86
Whisper Campaign n/t Aerows Sep 2012 #98
If your concern is real... I'd BE SHOCKED.. DCBob Sep 2012 #80
Amen. Nt DevonRex Sep 2012 #81
This is RW shit-stirring Aerows Sep 2012 #85
There's nothing there Cali_Democrat Sep 2012 #89
They Seem To Be Conflating Three Story Lines DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #129
Another thing ProSense Sep 2012 #133
Whisper Campaign Aerows Sep 2012 #91
here, more of how this is a RW slant nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #103
Frankly the whole thing smacks of a Cheney production. Hmm. "Obama doesn't attend briefings" meme progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #108
I agree--to reiterate what you say, I don't know who was ultimately behind the attacks, TwilightGardener Sep 2012 #113
Obama has been the best president ever, in dealing with the middle east. deaniac21 Sep 2012 #114
I am old enough to remember when trolls actually had game. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #117
Indeed! HangOnKids Sep 2012 #125
And back then, people weren't afraid to tell them Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #126
I Told Him/Her To Bend Over So He Or She Could Give Evil (Romney) An Opening DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #128
lulz epically.. undergroundpanther Sep 2012 #131
"Bin Laden Determined to Attack in US." Trump THAT. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #118
Politico has the White house response. aaaaaa5a Sep 2012 #127
I'm pretty surprised by the responses in this thread. WilliamPitt Sep 2012 #136
Just sayin.....This post is the first post in the DU trashing on conservativeunderground.com Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2012 #138
It is bullcrap jsr Sep 2012 #139
Completely Unsourced... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #141
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