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Celerity

(43,365 posts)
13. this following is a great article addressing the hysteria that was on here about mutations
Sat May 16, 2020, 07:31 AM
May 2020

I made it an OP and so few read it, whilst PANIC PANIC! bullshit alarmist posts (often unsourced or sourced from dodgy sites) were getting 50-100 recs and thousands of views.


Beware Overblown Claims of Coronavirus Strains

The Problem With Stories About Dangerous Coronavirus Mutations

There’s no clear evidence that the pandemic virus has evolved into significantly different forms—and there probably won’t be for months.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/05/coronavirus-strains-transmissible/611239/



As if the pandemic weren’t bad enough, on April 30, a team led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory released a paper that purportedly described “the emergence of a more transmissible form” of the new coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2. This new form, the team wrote, “began spreading in Europe in early February.” Whenever it appeared in a new place, including the U.S., it rapidly rose to dominance. Its success, the team suggested, is likely due to a single mutation, which is now “of urgent concern.” The paper has not yet been formally published or reviewed by other scientists. But on May 5, the Los Angeles Times wrote about it, claiming that “a now-dominant strain of the coronavirus could be more contagious than [the] original.” That story quickly went … well … viral.

But “the conclusions are overblown,” says Lisa Gralinski of the University of North Carolina, who is one of the few scientists in the world who specializes in coronaviruses. “To say that you’ve revealed the emergence of a more transmissible form of SARS-CoV-2 without ever actually testing it isn’t the type of thing that makes me feel comfortable as a scientist.” She and other virologists I’ve spoken with who were not involved in the Los Alamos research agree that the paper’s claims are plausible, but not justified by the evidence it presents. More important, they’re not convinced different strains of the coronavirus exist at all.

“We have evidence for one strain,” says Brian Wasik at Cornell University. “I would say there’s just one,” says Nathan Grubaugh at Yale School of Medicine. “I think the majority of people studying [coronavirus genetics] wouldn’t recognize more than one strain right now,” says Charlotte Houldcroft at the University of Cambridge. Everyone else might be reasonably puzzled, given that news stories have repeatedly claimed there are two, or three, or even eight strains. This is yet another case of confusion in a crisis that seems riddled with them. Here’s how to make sense of it. Whenever a virus infects a host, it makes new copies of itself, and it starts by duplicating its genes. But this process is sloppy, and the duplicates end up with errors. These are called mutations—they’re the genetic equivalent of typos. In comic books and other science fiction, mutations are always dramatic and consequential. In the real world, they’re a normal and usually mundane part of virology. Viruses naturally and gradually accumulate mutations as they spread.

As an epidemic progresses, the virus family tree grows new branches and twigs—new lineages that are characterized by differing sets of mutations. But a new lineage doesn’t automatically count as a new strain. That term is usually reserved for a lineage that differs from its fellow viruses in significant ways. It might vary in how easily it spreads (transmissibility), its ability to cause disease (virulence), whether it is recognized by the immune system in the same way (antigenicity), or how vulnerable it is to medications (resistance). Some mutations affect these properties. Most do not, and are either silent or cosmetic. “Not every mutation creates a different strain,” says Grubaugh. (Think about dog breeds as equivalents of strains: A corgi is clearly different from a Great Dane, but a black-haired corgi is functionally the same as a brown-haired one, and wouldn’t count as a separate breed.)

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Even the annual flu vaccine isn't 100% effective. Throck May 2020 #1
I understand, I heard... FarPoint May 2020 #2
Ignore the man behind the curtain. Throck May 2020 #4
U.S. flu vaccine effectiveness by start year Celerity May 2020 #6
Yers...good information...but.... FarPoint May 2020 #10
I never implied they were the same, I just used the title in the article, but I did change it Celerity May 2020 #47
I realize that..good information... FarPoint May 2020 #50
hugz Celerity May 2020 #52
Celerity - it would be best if you change your title to say "U.S. Influenza Vaccine Effectiveness... erronis May 2020 #44
there is no coronavirus vaccine, and I just used the title in the article, but I will change it Celerity May 2020 #46
Thanks for the edit. I just saw the title on Wikipedia and understand what you meant. erronis May 2020 #56
I also assumed the URL was a dead giveaway (Influenza_vaccine#Effectiveness) Celerity May 2020 #59
Yeah, the early fall flu shots.. Maxheader May 2020 #7
Sorry Traildogbob May 2020 #29
Can't Find It Now, But... ProfessorGAC May 2020 #3
I think we as activist need to emphasize this concern... FarPoint May 2020 #5
The coronavirus mutates more slowly than the flu -- which means a vaccine will likely be effective Celerity May 2020 #9
Thanks! ProfessorGAC May 2020 #11
this following is a great article addressing the hysteria that was on here about mutations Celerity May 2020 #13
Good post. Thank you. N/t bluecollar2 May 2020 #19
yw Celerity May 2020 #21
I remember reading it, or something similar. tavernier May 2020 #30
Well...we have had corona viruses like the Acute Respiratory One since say 2000 FarPoint May 2020 #12
I thinks odds are pretty low for a vaccine any time soon, Trump, as usual is full of shit Celerity May 2020 #14
Exactly.... FarPoint May 2020 #16
The last 2 months before the election Biden is truly going to have to lay the hammer down Celerity May 2020 #18
I agree there... FarPoint May 2020 #20
assume he will lie about .. EVERYTHING, and in the worst possible way on the worst possible subjects Celerity May 2020 #23
I have seen Biden get furiously angry when his family is threatened, tavernier May 2020 #31
+100000 Celerity May 2020 #35
Some vaccines are simply deactivated virus. Aussie105 May 2020 #8
they are trying that type, and all other types as well Celerity May 2020 #15
FRONTLINE had very up-to-date info from scientists trying to develop a vaccine Hestia May 2020 #22
Ohhhh yes...I wanted to watch that... FarPoint May 2020 #24
This is what Trump does. Makes promises that has no science behind them. Baitball Blogger May 2020 #17
You should correct subject line to PREVENT. There ARE Veterinary Coronavirus vaccines hlthe2b May 2020 #25
Great information. Mike 03 May 2020 #42
THANK YOU. I was looking around for just this info -- I knew that vets had a few vaccines for Nay May 2020 #49
In his testimony, Dr. Bright confirmed there has never been a coronavirus vaccine. Native May 2020 #26
Excellent! FarPoint May 2020 #32
I have responded to you repeatedly. PLease correct your OP. Vaccines are NOT treatments. hlthe2b May 2020 #58
Never a HUMAN coronavirus vaccine. See my post upthread on veterinary vaccines for other coronavirus hlthe2b May 2020 #57
Putting Trump aside, if its not gonna happen why havent ANY doctors said so? oldsoftie May 2020 #27
Someone posted in this thread... FarPoint May 2020 #34
thank you oldsoftie May 2020 #55
Because ... never say never. Laelth May 2020 #36
Maybe it's time to investigate alternative treatments but that won't happen until big Pharma's in2herbs May 2020 #28
Too late. They Own Trump's Team. IMO it will have to be a group of Governors to push that forward. Ford_Prefect May 2020 #41
That's what I've been reading too Bettie May 2020 #33
No news about Remdesivir yet disndat May 2020 #45
The treatment aspect is where we should focus on something timely.. FarPoint May 2020 #51
Make no mistake about a promise from trump duforsure May 2020 #37
Why would there be? Warpy May 2020 #38
People keep saying "WHEN we get a vaccine..." but that should be: MrModerate May 2020 #39
I completely agree with that! FarPoint May 2020 #40
K & R Mrs. Overall May 2020 #43
The SARS vaccine never got past animal testing, it didn't work, then the money and virus went away Baclava May 2020 #48
Sars.. BGBD May 2020 #53
The fastest way to put this virus in check is monoclonal antibodies. roamer65 May 2020 #54
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