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RockRaven

(14,966 posts)
27. He said the quiet part out loud. They are going to make and administer a "vaccine"
Sun May 17, 2020, 01:17 PM
May 2020

regardless of it's safety and effectiveness.

It could be as useful as tap water or as safe as undiluted bleach, and THEY DON'T CARE. That will not stand in the way of them mass manufacturing and distributing something, just so they can say they did so before Election Day.

They will completely subvert or overrule or Saturday Night Massacre the experts at the FDA to get nominal approval of something, ANYTHING, no matter how bad or incomplete the trial data is.

I'm just about the most anti-anti-vaxx person I know, so it pains me to speak ill of a vaccination program, but Azar just confirmed what everyone should have suspected based on Trump's prior behavior. If a vaccine is approved prior to election day, that approval must unfortunately be considered tainted by political considerations and is not trustworthy as science-based medicine. Even an independent evaluation of the evidence is not going to be reliable because one cannot trust the completeness and genuineness of any data provided by a Trump-controlled FDA under these circumstances.

It is incredibly immoral to manufacture and distribute hundreds of millions of doses of a vaccine before there is evidence that it is safe and effective because there is tremendous inertia involved. Once that train is rolling, it is impossible to stop because of the "what other options do you really have?"-problem and sunk-cost behavior.

Even if the safety profile is bad and the effectiveness is subpar, once that vaccine is distributed, it is inevitable that it will be used at large scale. Medical experts know this. Azar just doesn't care.

So they ARE going to inject Clorox . . . Journeyman May 2020 #1
My First Thought, Too ProfessorGAC May 2020 #7
Oh, great. I thought the whole point of a vaccine was that it was safe and effective. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2020 #2
Touche... Hugin May 2020 #6
IKR? Does Azar realize he said this out loud? crickets May 2020 #23
Of course he'll have it and they will experiment with African-Americans, Indigenous Americans malaise May 2020 #3
If it's not effective then what's the fricking point? Hugin May 2020 #4
Smoke and mirrors. Zoonart May 2020 #9
He's saying it will be manufactured before trials are done DrToast May 2020 #5
True, But... ProfessorGAC May 2020 #10
Producing vaccine "at risk" is supposed to mean it's their risk, not ours lettucebe May 2020 #8
Don't be so sure DrToast May 2020 #12
Trump will demand it be given right after his sufficiently loyal Maru Kitteh May 2020 #38
Oh. Okay. matt819 May 2020 #11
great banana breast? Maru Kitteh May 2020 #16
It will be safe and effective Turbineguy May 2020 #13
"Traditional approaches" means testing for safety and efficacy. Bleacher Creature May 2020 #14
I'm not gonna be a guinea pig for Trump's medical experiments C_U_L8R May 2020 #15
Awesome! I'll hop in my Ford Pinto to go get one as soon as it's available! tanyev May 2020 #17
Chevy Corvair is better ;) Hestia May 2020 #37
So we are about to see Wellstone ruled May 2020 #18
As with everything involving Trump and his greedy henchmen, it's all about making money. sop May 2020 #19
Is it an injection of straight bleach? Initech May 2020 #20
All of a sudden I'm an anti-vaxxer central scrutinizer May 2020 #21
As I've been saying I wouldn't trust Trump to give me a bottle of Advil. Initech May 2020 #26
what are they going to do with it? HAB911 May 2020 #22
Ditching the scientific method for alchemy n/t bronxiteforever May 2020 #24
um...no thanks, Dr. Mengele.... dhill926 May 2020 #25
He said the quiet part out loud. They are going to make and administer a "vaccine" RockRaven May 2020 #27
Sometimes I think I'm the only person that remembers PoindexterOglethorpe May 2020 #28
A vaccine that is neither safe nor effective is NOT a vaccine! Maeve May 2020 #29
Isn't it suspicious that Clorox is making the new vaccine??!? Sancho May 2020 #30
We are so fortunate that NCjack May 2020 #31
They will be saline tavernier May 2020 #32
Wonder how much money it takes to ramp up manufacturing of sinkingfeeling May 2020 #33
Let the trump family go first. badhair77 May 2020 #34
Wow shanti May 2020 #35
Then what good would they be? Proud Liberal Dem May 2020 #36
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