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etherealtruth

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56. Contrary to opinions expressed, a woman does not lose her autonomy when pregnant

Fri Sep 14, 2012, 07:32 PM

Sep 2012

She remains a free and autonomous adult ... she has the right to make her own choices .... good or bad, just as every other citizen of the US.

Is it only her body if you are pro-choice AND she conforms to what you decide is a good choice? Clearly we know the anti choicers believe a woman loses her right to make decisions about her own body the moment she has sex.

How do we force a woman to make "good" choices while pregnant? shall we incarcerate her so that she eats appropriately (doesn't gain too much or too little weight), doesn't have a drink? .... perhaps we need to sterilize all addicts (because we know by their addiction they are of poor moral quality by virtue of being an addict).

Sorry folks it is HER body and her choice .... argue that its not just her body ... its the baby .... the same exact argument the anti-choicers make

(sorry this really isn't directed to the OP .... but directed to those that presume a pregnant woman surrenders her autonomy)

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Man Pointed Gun at Pregnant Smoker [View all] Liberal_in_LA Sep 2012 OP

"found two Glock semiautomatic ... and booked him." good. nt seabeyond Sep 2012 #1

I am utterly dismayed Scairp Sep 2012 #115

How did he "know" she was pregnant? People get in trouble making those kinds of assumptions. MADem Sep 2012 #2

When is it OK to ask a woman if she's pregnant? nichomachus Sep 2012 #12

Absolutely correct. Gold Metal Flake Sep 2012 #39

Perhaps when the baby is crowning? MADem Sep 2012 #43

I've always told my wife... Number_9 Sep 2012 #59

Huh? Why can you not ask a woman about a medical condition? RB TexLa Sep 2012 #63

The same reason you can't ask anyone else about a medical condition unless they bring it up. wickerwoman Sep 2012 #64

Gun nuts are exactly that Cali_Democrat Sep 2012 #3

Way too much stupid in one story...nt joeybee12 Sep 2012 #4

You have the winner ! deaniac21 Sep 2012 #119

She's kind of doing the same HappyMe Sep 2012 #5

no. she is not. nt seabeyond Sep 2012 #7

Correct. smoking while pregnant is worse Incitatus Sep 2012 #13

Not worse than what could have happened to the baby with the mother under... NCTraveler Sep 2012 #26

The mother smoking is not worse for the baby then the mother being shot Marrah_G Sep 2012 #100

Not to mention that many doctors would say quitting old turkey may cause Iris Sep 2012 #102

Um....yeah, she is. liberalhistorian Sep 2012 #22

It's a drug addiction. I don't see a reason to slam her like this. n/t cynatnite Sep 2012 #28

I'm an ex-smoker, believe me, I'm well liberalhistorian Sep 2012 #40

Ex-smoker here, too. We're not all the same and for some even pregnancy isn't enough... cynatnite Sep 2012 #47

I am awaiting with some sense of dread fo roguevalley Sep 2012 #66

I can not beleive that she actually thought that d_r Sep 2012 #77

Sounds like you should put child protective services on speed dial. alphafemale Sep 2012 #81

What? Drahthaardogs Sep 2012 #44

I never said that... cynatnite Sep 2012 #49

Yeah well I draw the line when you abuse your children Drahthaardogs Sep 2012 #50

I smoked through 3 pregnancies knowing it wasn't good for the babies... cynatnite Sep 2012 #51

If I post what I really think it will get moderated. Drahthaardogs Sep 2012 #52

If you want to stop her from hurting her baby, helping her is a good start... cynatnite Sep 2012 #53

According to the article she seemed pretty proud of her smoking. Drahthaardogs Sep 2012 #54

Actually, interpretation counts in this instance. n/t cynatnite Sep 2012 #55

Or perhaps she was standing up to a man in a car bullying her. Marrah_G Sep 2012 #107

That's an interesting...statistic you stated; Cerridwen Sep 2012 #69

Really? Look up disease theory of addiction, it is very controversial in the medical field Drahthaardogs Sep 2012 #78

How about some scholarly sources? Iris Sep 2012 #108

Just curious where you weigh in on choice? etherealtruth Sep 2012 #57

I can't speak for the other poster, but ecstatic Sep 2012 #72

Smoking and many other behaviors are bad for all etherealtruth Sep 2012 #86

I am curious where you weigh in on global warming. Drahthaardogs Sep 2012 #75

What an odd and irrelevant response etherealtruth Sep 2012 #87

It's her choice to decide if she wants to CONTINUE the pregnancy Drahthaardogs Sep 2012 #88

What should be the consequences for these women? etherealtruth Sep 2012 #92

Ah yes, now we are into THEORY Drahthaardogs Sep 2012 #95

If you make THE CHOICE to have a child you have a responsibility to the health of that child. alphafemale Sep 2012 #83

Does this apply to all the bad choices a person can make etherealtruth Sep 2012 #89

I don't agree with you Drahthaardogs Sep 2012 #93

Yeah. alphafemale Sep 2012 #96

LOL ... you appear to know me far better than those in my life etherealtruth Sep 2012 #97

Glad it wasn't considered abuse 55 years ago SOS Sep 2012 #71

Give me a break. Drahthaardogs Sep 2012 #74

Cigarette companies knew the consequences Laurajr Sep 2012 #79

I agree, if you plan on carrying a baby to term Drahthaardogs Sep 2012 #82

We should totally fill the jails with pregnant smokers. Marrah_G Sep 2012 #105

Many doctors encourage cutting back b/c quitting old turkey would cause more stress Iris Sep 2012 #106

I have to ask, are you also anti-abortion? Marrah_G Sep 2012 #101

I wish there really was a god Scairp Sep 2012 #109

No she isn't Marrah_G Sep 2012 #99

Christ, not here too Scairp Sep 2012 #103

Her body her choice (nt) The Straight Story Sep 2012 #104

WTF? n/t Control-Z Sep 2012 #118

AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT PRENATAL HEALTH?!?!? Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #6

LOL deutsey Sep 2012 #11

MARK IT ZERO!!!!!!!!! Initech Sep 2012 #16

There are rules, dude. This isn't Nam! Taverner Sep 2012 #29

kr. This is what happens when classes of people are demonized -- people feel justified in HiPointDem Sep 2012 #8

The taxes nichomachus Sep 2012 #14

tobacco taxes fund 14% of new hampshire's state budget, 11% of alaska's, 7% of oregon's, HiPointDem Sep 2012 #31

There's a good way poor people can escape the taxes nichomachus Sep 2012 #34

yeah, we couldn't tax rich people so there'd be fewer poor people. that would be fucking unamerican HiPointDem Sep 2012 #70

Ohnoes. NOT TAXES! Scootaloo Sep 2012 #21

Yeah, I have a thing about poor people being taxed and rich people sliding. Sue me. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #32

well most people are not nuts enough to pull a gun on a pregnant woman WI_DEM Sep 2012 #33

No woman should smoke while she's pregnant, but no way would I pull out a gun over it... cynatnite Sep 2012 #9

+1 sakabatou Sep 2012 #10

No stranger gets to tell any woman what to do, but I wouldn't pull a gun over that. Chorophyll Sep 2012 #17

I wouldn't anyway. As a woman, I don't like much being dictated to either. :) n/t cynatnite Sep 2012 #20

...and this is what happens when one political party decides women are nothing but baby-vessels, Chorophyll Sep 2012 #15

+1 Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2012 #23

The REAL issue is not whether or not a pregnant woman should smoke, SheilaT Sep 2012 #18

The hypocrisy in this is riculous loyalsister Sep 2012 #38

Because the baby could... survive... the mother,,, getting... shot? BarackTheVote Sep 2012 #41

+1000 smirkymonkey Sep 2012 #90

Yes- bullets are way better for babies. Marrah_G Sep 2012 #110

That's it in a nut shell! etherealtruth Sep 2012 #94

I got lectured for having a cup of COFFEE with breakfast HockeyMom Sep 2012 #19

They were probably eating a bacon cheese burger with fries and 1 liter of coke. nm rhett o rick Sep 2012 #24

So what's he going to do shoot and kill her for smoking out of concern for the baby? cherish44 Sep 2012 #25

Cigarettes are just about the most difficult addiction to break. NCTraveler Sep 2012 #27

They sure as hell are a difficult addition to break. RebelOne Sep 2012 #42

that happened to me! I couldn't even smoke one cigarette without getting sick. ejpoeta Sep 2012 #85

Kudos to your husband. n/t RebelOne Sep 2012 #114

And in some cases doctors will settle for cutting back if that's all the mother can do. Iris Sep 2012 #112

To quote the late great Bill Hicks: "We're pro life and we're gonna kill your ass!" Initech Sep 2012 #30

Women should not be smoking while pregnant. Alduin Sep 2012 #35

And yet tobacco is not banned in America shintao Sep 2012 #36

Wait...what? Alduin Sep 2012 #37

The woman CAN smoke, even though it is not best for the fetus. It is her body, her right. peacebird Sep 2012 #117

CAN be damaging maxsolomon Sep 2012 #45

Same here johnnie Sep 2012 #48

Rare??? Alduin Sep 2012 #62

I didn't say it was "OK" to smoke while pregnant - I gave a personal anecdote. maxsolomon Sep 2012 #98

Yes, the risk has been proven. Iris Sep 2012 #111

The anti-choicers in a nutshell ck4829 Sep 2012 #46

Contrary to opinions expressed, a woman does not lose her autonomy when pregnant etherealtruth Sep 2012 #56

Pregnancy, Smoking AND Guns.. Crap, it's like a DU Popcorn Trifecta! Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #58

I guess it was too soon for breast-feeding! Bake Sep 2012 #60

Maybe a follow-up about holding a gun at a circumcision? boppers Sep 2012 #67

Followed by holding a gun at a crying child in a restaurant. name not needed Sep 2012 #121

Too bad he didn't sic a pitbull on her. wickerwoman Sep 2012 #65

If we hadn't bombed the Moon this would have never happened. name not needed Sep 2012 #116

hehe Marrah_G Sep 2012 #120

both of these two are real winners scheming daemons Sep 2012 #61

Yeah. I was thinking what happens when two assholes collide. nt alphafemale Sep 2012 #84

Another responsible gun owner, looking out for the general public. boppers Sep 2012 #68

I believe there are people here that would have no problem in shooting a smoker. Whovian Sep 2012 #73

Guns! bongbong Sep 2012 #76

What if she had been smoking one of them mareewanna cigarattes? boston bean Sep 2012 #80

... krispos42 Sep 2012 #91

my favorite opening line of the year: trailmonkee Sep 2012 #113