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Honeycombe8

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53. I think so, too. And the failing of parents to instill these things and foster

Reply to Bluefin Tuna (Reply #35)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 11:20 PM

Sep 2012

or require learning and good grades.

I see the parents as a huge part of the breakdown of the education system.

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So what IS a fair evaluation system for teachers? [View all] Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 OP

I'm not sure it's possible to have a "fair" evaluation system on something as complex .... Scuba Sep 2012 #1

Fair Evaluation Test students first day of class on your subject, and last day of class. vinny9698 Sep 2012 #48

Uh, have you ever actually attended school? Chorophyll Sep 2012 #49

How much progress? Same amount for kids in ghettos as kids in burbs? Scuba Sep 2012 #70

Yes, that's a big question. Ed. research usually shows learning always takes place HereSince1628 Sep 2012 #73

And how do we evaluate the progress? knitter4democracy Sep 2012 #76

Why don't we look to Finland, where they reformed their education system and now CTyankee Sep 2012 #2

I'm Finnish tama Sep 2012 #5

I think I read a US based article (linked below) abumbyanyothername Sep 2012 #21

Or everybody else, it seems. They are top earners internationally... CTyankee Sep 2012 #24

About 40 years ago tama Sep 2012 #39

Also, don't you pay your teachers like we do our doctors? Cleita Sep 2012 #25

Dunno tama Sep 2012 #41

The fact that you speak English better than a lot of Americans XemaSab Sep 2012 #60

Kiitos :) tama Sep 2012 #63

Good idea Telly Savalas Sep 2012 #22

Thanks for the link tama Sep 2012 #68

Evals are being used a weapons Courtesy Flush Sep 2012 #3

People don't believe this but it's completely true. Smarmie Doofus Sep 2012 #67

In all fairness, unless it's in the contract, there's nothing the union CAN do proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #75

I believe this to be true. No, I'm not a teacher. Scuba Sep 2012 #71

I wish a politician with no teaching experience would come in and tell me how to teach.... Pholus Sep 2012 #4

Student evaluations tama Sep 2012 #7

Spent too much time with the U.S. "students are customers" mentality to ever agree. Pholus Sep 2012 #8

Very perceptive tama Sep 2012 #10

No argument from me on this at all! nt Pholus Sep 2012 #56

Paulo Freire tama Sep 2012 #62

I'd say student evals should be considered, but probably not to the extent you're reacting to Posteritatis Sep 2012 #11

One of my first profs told me how he read his evals and his system works for me. Pholus Sep 2012 #55

Pay and promotions... tama Sep 2012 #74

Grievance history? femmocrat Sep 2012 #9

Bad phrasing, but administrative action for misconduct. Pholus Sep 2012 #54

OK.... a grievance is something a teacher files against the administration. femmocrat Sep 2012 #84

The teachers who work with them probably know best gollygee Sep 2012 #6

Each and every teacher in the CPS system is evaluated already... ancianita Sep 2012 #13

Well said. Iris Sep 2012 #45

Thank you for this exhaustive post. Chorophyll Sep 2012 #50

Your post should be required reading! nt Pholus Sep 2012 #58

Hear, hear! I agree entirely. knitter4democracy Sep 2012 #77

Isn't that a popularity contest? Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #40

So you want to know how to get rid of teachers? proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #12

Good point on where the emphasis got placed, there Posteritatis Sep 2012 #18

The problem with our schools must be bad teachers. hay rick Sep 2012 #34

That. All of that. knitter4democracy Sep 2012 #78

It was like that when I started teaching. proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #80

Our principal has really changed his attitude this year. knitter4democracy Sep 2012 #81

I think the proposed one was a tenure-busting attempt, which is unacceptable to teachers. n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #14

all school districts have evaluation systems ibegurpard Sep 2012 #15

You're exactly right. It's a vicious myth. ancianita Sep 2012 #16

how about leaving it up to the local school board? Hugabear Sep 2012 #17

exactly. ibegurpard Sep 2012 #19

Exactly right. A vicious lie. ancianita Sep 2012 #26

We should study school systems that produce better students than ours and mimic what they do. Comrade_McKenzie Sep 2012 #20

That would be with curriculum. And curriculum is the purview of---wait for it---ADMINISTRATORS. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #27

Curricula are already legally determined by the public of each state. ancianita Sep 2012 #29

CPS teachers have been hip to those schools and 'best practices' for years. ancianita Sep 2012 #28

Union members get the same salaries per step because of prior ADMIN ABUSE. GET IT? WinkyDink Sep 2012 #23

I am not involved in education but here's my .02 abumbyanyothername Sep 2012 #30

Tenure/seniority should count for a significant part too. nt abumbyanyothername Sep 2012 #31

If this issue is important to you ibegurpard Sep 2012 #32

It sounds good, but logistically, it can't be done. ancianita Sep 2012 #33

Fair enough. abumbyanyothername Sep 2012 #37

One reason for relatively poor American academic performance Bluefin Tuna Sep 2012 #35

I agree. senseandsensibility Sep 2012 #47

I think so, too. And the failing of parents to instill these things and foster Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #53

Would we get anywhere with basic competency tests and jsmirman Sep 2012 #36

Okay, this is the paragraph that you can't get the CPS board to agree with. ancianita Sep 2012 #38

That is fucking maddening jsmirman Sep 2012 #44

Authentic whole-person evaluation portfolios derived from authentic whole-person patrice Sep 2012 #42

as a career educator I can tell you that we STILL wrestle with that question.... mike_c Sep 2012 #43

I love your response. senseandsensibility Sep 2012 #46

as do I ibegurpard Sep 2012 #52

Great post. I wish I could rec it. nt Chorophyll Sep 2012 #51

This makes sense to me. Except I would add one caveat, which is that the family Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #57

right and what kind of teacher evaluation system is going to address failure with that kind of kid? ibegurpard Sep 2012 #59

I think that as a liberal abumbyanyothername Sep 2012 #64

who the hell is advocating tossing kids aside??? ibegurpard Sep 2012 #65

Well, you sounded like you were resigned to the fact that some kids don't have the support at home. abumbyanyothername Sep 2012 #66

It's okay to have an opinion. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #72

+1. I agree ecstatic Sep 2012 #88

I agree with caveats XemaSab Sep 2012 #61

Phase out the admins and bring in the parents. Smarmie Doofus Sep 2012 #69

Oh, goodness, no. knitter4democracy Sep 2012 #79

If ya got good admins... turnover is bad. Smarmie Doofus Sep 2012 #85

No. They want grades. knitter4democracy Sep 2012 #87

That's what I was thinking, too. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #86

There isn't one. JoeyT Sep 2012 #82

I'm not an educator... so I don't know. Courtesy Flush Sep 2012 #83