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105. I had a problem with his position on not voting to cause change

Mon Jun 8, 2020, 03:17 PM

Jun 2020

Or giving caveats to voting, as he does here. Since you wouldn't answer the question about not voting, I guess you may be ok with that. It's cutting off your nose to spite your face that will hurt POC even more, and just as dumb messaging as saying "defund the police". Police executive Cedric Alexander is on CNN agreeing, and saying a better term is "redirect resources" so that the police would still be there, just that some funds would go to community programs, etc. That is much, much better messaging.

We have a lot of low, low information, ignorant voters in this country who will not hear nuance, only short memes such as "defund the police" and they vote, in large numbers. That's why we have to be smart about messaging, or we will have four more years of drumpf.

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Sorry but "Defund the Police" is just dumb messaging [View all] DIVINEprividence Jun 2020 OP

We need to come out 100% against this idea. OrlandoDem2 Jun 2020 #1

It's a technical term that doesn't mean what it sounds like. Hortensis Jun 2020 #65

The Repubs love it and will be pinning the term Bev54 Jun 2020 #70

Better: Make lemonade from the attention and get people on board Hortensis Jun 2020 #78

People don't have a long attention span Bev54 Jun 2020 #84

We'll have to see what those on the front lines who've Hortensis Jun 2020 #88

I agree out of the box it was problematic herding cats Jun 2020 #156

Frank Zappa - "Watch out where the huskies go. Don't you eat BrightKnight Jun 2020 #153

I know. Unfortunately most wont bother to try to understand the nuance. OrlandoDem2 Jun 2020 #91

Oh, I don't know. Defund ALL police? Only willfully Hortensis Jun 2020 #97

I agree then it shouldn't be said. Oppaloopa Jun 2020 #118

:) Oop, with that lemon already out there, time to make lemonade. Hortensis Jun 2020 #144

If you understood the concept it would be helpful...here, maybe this will help. NotHardly Jun 2020 #129

What David Sirota Wrote StClone Jun 2020 #165

Hannity is hammering this hard right now nt Ex Lurker Jun 2020 #154

His on-screen Old White Guy rage and Mental Masturbation gets old StClone Jun 2020 #166

Biden isn't proposing to defund the police. LisaL Jun 2020 #2

True. Goodheart Jun 2020 #3

I happen to agree. Change is necessary, but as usual, our messaging sucks. Ferrets are Cool Jun 2020 #4

Eh, it creates intrigue, whereas "reform" feels weak as water soothsayer Jun 2020 #17

Reform is infinetely better than the word "defund" themaguffin Jun 2020 #63

How about "repeal and replace"? Where have I heard that one before? /nt flibbitygiblets Jun 2020 #104

No it doesn't. It scares the shit out of people. nt BlueLucy Jun 2020 #125

+1 Ferrets are Cool Jun 2020 #127

Hell, look at the phrase "White Privilege" The Mouth Jun 2020 #111

That is a sure way to get NOTHING BlueLucy Jun 2020 #5

Agreed, it's clumsy -- and inaccurate soothsayer Jun 2020 #6

Heard it on that video where mayor of Minneapolis LisaL Jun 2020 #12

Oh yeah, the walk of shame. He looked sad. soothsayer Jun 2020 #33

It made me sad just watching it renate Jun 2020 #38

I know and he looked especially young there soothsayer Jun 2020 #52

I didn't realize that he was a mayor of Minneapolis at first. LisaL Jun 2020 #82

WTF? I keep seeing this BS.... stillcool Jun 2020 #7

If you have to parse and explain, especially in an election year, - you lose. empedocles Jun 2020 #11

Biden is leading by 11 points at least JonLP24 Jun 2020 #21

Only if people vote still_one Jun 2020 #45

Biden is leading by 7 points. milestogo Jun 2020 #46

Thanks JonLP24 Jun 2020 #50

were the beef? Cryptoad Jun 2020 #92

+++ still_one Jun 2020 #42

what history book is that in? stillcool Jun 2020 #43

History of Bernie 'explaining' - 'socialism'? empedocles Jun 2020 #81

Well, at least it wasn't a sign at protests... stillcool Jun 2020 #99

Good. You seem 'stillcool' empedocles Jun 2020 #132

not today.... stillcool Jun 2020 #136

You're good empedocles Jun 2020 #137

After this, therefor because of this, eh? LanternWaste Jun 2020 #138

Check out BLM street mural in DC... lame54 Jun 2020 #27

Good for them. What else was written? stillcool Jun 2020 #39

Is "don't vote" okay too? Bradshaw3 Jun 2020 #62

whose message is it? stillcool Jun 2020 #66

Here it is Bradshaw3 Jun 2020 #77

I have no problem with that at all....Why do you? stillcool Jun 2020 #94

I had a problem with his position on not voting to cause change Bradshaw3 Jun 2020 #105

You have a problem with his past ideas.. stillcool Jun 2020 #108

Do you have a problem with reading comprehension? Bradshaw3 Jun 2020 #117

I don't think I have a problem with reading comprehension... stillcool Jun 2020 #130

So you're worried about non-collective, individual sentiments... LanternWaste Jun 2020 #139

It's out there and it's not helpful themaguffin Jun 2020 #64

Who is putting it 'out there'? stillcool Jun 2020 #69

What do you mean "who?" Have you not seen pictures from protests or have friends who themaguffin Jun 2020 #74

I've seen all kinds of signs at protests... stillcool Jun 2020 #85

I'm not speaking about "signs" I'm talking about the election. Jesus Fucking Christ themaguffin Jun 2020 #123

oh now see....I didn't get that stillcool Jun 2020 #131

Nope. That's not what I said, but your immaturity is noted. themaguffin Jun 2020 #145

Not to any real degree of concern... except by those pretending otherwise. LanternWaste Jun 2020 #140

The entire notion of the "police" needs to be rethought budkin Jun 2020 #67

I got a text from some parents group asking me to support "defunding the police" LeftInTX Jun 2020 #149

Plenty of people are saying "defund the police" Steelrolled Jun 2020 #159

Some people say that? pwb Jun 2020 #8

It was added to the dc blm mural... lame54 Jun 2020 #25

Led Zeppelin logo was added too. LanternWaste Jun 2020 #142

I agree; same for "disband." It's not what anyone intends, but The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #9

Great post! scarletwoman Jun 2020 #100

This really is a very good post. nt coti Jun 2020 #168

I agree Catherine Vincent Jun 2020 #10

yes, very unfortunate and could affect the election itself. Grasswire2 Jun 2020 #13

I don't think "we" made the term soothsayer Jun 2020 #44

"If we have to explain the slogan it's a loser" renate Jun 2020 #49

Just like the Publicans call laws taking away the power of the workers by calling it safeinOhio Jun 2020 #95

Agreed lame54 Jun 2020 #14

It's good as an over-the-top threat (to then back off of). gulliver Jun 2020 #15

That catch phrase was probably created by the GOP ecstatic Jun 2020 #16

. . . Or some angry type speechifying to a similiar angry audience. empedocles Jun 2020 #18

Nope. I've been extremely angry but that doesn't ecstatic Jun 2020 #28

Now 'the Hill' reports that 'Biden campaign opposes 'defund the police' empedocles Jun 2020 #79

That was my first thought too. nt Ferrets are Cool Jun 2020 #22

Probably the same idiots who were the first to bite on the 'OK' sign The Mouth Jun 2020 #113

Definitely agree nt Raine Jun 2020 #19

STUPID IDEA zak247 Jun 2020 #20

The black community is already defunded JonLP24 Jun 2020 #26

The left really needs to employ good copywriters, Neema Jun 2020 #23

If people are still saying "all lives matter" they are showing they are either racist or they dont g JonLP24 Jun 2020 #41

Yes of course now it's willful ignorance, but when Neema Jun 2020 #143

IMHO, it's a perfect phrase for the MSM to use grumpyduck Jun 2020 #24

It's a terrible message. democrank Jun 2020 #29

Agreed exboyfil Jun 2020 #30

Thank you for your concern gratuitous Jun 2020 #31

Police are important to a community. Just recently they helped rescue an older gentleman AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2020 #32

Same shit happened with "Abolish ICE" genxlib Jun 2020 #34

Moronic messaging by protesters. gives ammunition to right wingers. Maybe it was their idea ? dsp3000 Jun 2020 #35

And what's even dumber is they don't even mean it. SunSeeker Jun 2020 #36

Yeah, I hope people are not disappointed when Joe Biden does bullwinkle428 Jun 2020 #37

Ha, good soothsayer Jun 2020 #48

Fox just read the "Not Biden" statement soothsayer Jun 2020 #58

Yeah, Biden knows better than to use that as a slogan. backscatter712 Jun 2020 #135

I haven't seen anything by the police... tonedevil Jun 2020 #40

welllll. i like it better than torch the police. mopinko Jun 2020 #47

Whoever came up with this is a real dumbass. lynintenn Jun 2020 #51

any town can disband, defund, or do any damn thing they want.. stillcool Jun 2020 #54

I have already heard my older friends shocked that Democrats want to "do away with police". Midnight Writer Jun 2020 #53

One thing about the defund the police movement... UncleTomsEvilBrother Jun 2020 #55

FTP & ACAB Coventina Jun 2020 #56

Agreed. It's a loser. Captain Stern Jun 2020 #57

Completely agreed. There needs to be a simple reform message, but that ain't it. coti Jun 2020 #59

"De-escalate Policing"? Pretty vague. maxsolomon Jun 2020 #60

Your Last One Is My Favorite ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #98

"Repeal and Replace the Police"? Borrow a page from the Rethug playbook? flibbitygiblets Jun 2020 #106

Ground up rebuilding of some departments perhaps but BrightKnight Jun 2020 #151

My personal choice for slogans is "Police the police!" backscatter712 Jun 2020 #61

As Slogans go That is a very good one. Concise and true. n/t MarcA Jun 2020 #96

Dumb messaging and it will be weaponized peggysue2 Jun 2020 #68

Alternative: "Fully fund all community safety programs" Fiendish Thingy Jun 2020 #71

Biden campaign opposes calls to "defund the police" budkin Jun 2020 #72

Rightsize the police. Tactical Peek Jun 2020 #73

"Restructure Policing" makes more sense and covers more ground. n/t TygrBright Jun 2020 #75

Accountability, accountability, accountability. Efilroft Sul Jun 2020 #76

George Takei suggested TNNurse Jun 2020 #80

I agree COMPLETELY! BobTheSubgenius Jun 2020 #83

Already "Face of racism"Carlson is screaming out the lies of dreamland Jun 2020 #86

I like "Demilitarize the police" IronLionZion Jun 2020 #87

I like Reinvesting Police Cryptoad Jun 2020 #93

That sounds like you're moving bad officers around IronLionZion Jun 2020 #103

One of the worst branding ideas ever. It's almost like whoever thought of it pnwmom Jun 2020 #89

Agreed,,,,, what the old saying Cryptoad Jun 2020 #90

It Has All Of The Appeal Of Fingernails On A Chalkboard DallasNE Jun 2020 #101

The next mass shooting, which will happen, guess what they will blame? GusBob Jun 2020 #102

I was a cop 100 years ago MosheFeingold Jun 2020 #107

right now police are funded 100 times more tha any other service in jorgevlorgan Jun 2020 #109

I agree. Mr.Bill Jun 2020 #110

It's so dumb I think the Aniti-Antifa crowd came up with it rocktivity Jun 2020 #112

Some allies are running with it and it needs to stop. BrightKnight Jun 2020 #148

Kamala Harris' take on "defunding" from her appearance on The View this morning: George II Jun 2020 #114

Yeah, defunding the police is a really bad idea. PatrickforO Jun 2020 #115

It's time to reallocate funds away from hardware and military style training, Magoo48 Jun 2020 #116

dems are terrible at marketing AlexSFCA Jun 2020 #119

Yes Reform, Modernize, Redefine , Enhance, Realign. Fla Dem Jun 2020 #120

Which is the literal essence of what Biden said today. herding cats Jun 2020 #157

Agree Sugarcoated Jun 2020 #121

Yes and no Warpy Jun 2020 #122

Disagree. No backing up when you're right. That's losing. jaxexpat Jun 2020 #124

Demilitarize the police is what they need to be saying, it just doesn't roll off of the tongue. xyoungblood Jun 2020 #126

I think defund is accurate. if you can slash 100 to 150 million from the LAPDs funding and still jorgevlorgan Jun 2020 #133

The people are not a monolith Politicub Jun 2020 #128

Sorry but "Defund the Police" isn't messaging from anyone or any group of note. LanternWaste Jun 2020 #134

I think MoveOn was running it on Facebook. Dumb nt BrightKnight Jun 2020 #150

Whether you agree with the phrase or not, theaocp Jun 2020 #141

I'm glad the phrase is out there. Ron Green Jun 2020 #146

Horrible and meaningless - There will be paid law enforcement BrightKnight Jun 2020 #147

Another radical thing zak247 Jun 2020 #152

In a lot of cases, I have some sympathy for the police The Mouth Jun 2020 #163

100% Agree BadGimp Jun 2020 #155

A better rallying cry would be "Fund social workers!" NNadir Jun 2020 #158

Police the police. roamer65 Jun 2020 #160

I completely agree. Sloumeau Jun 2020 #161

"Defund the Police" is a slogan created by a right-wing think tank Wednesdays Jun 2020 #162

"Make The Police Better". How zentrum Jun 2020 #164

I agree. I suspect some more excited protestors used the phrase, and did indeed intend it to mean Nitram Jun 2020 #167

Agree 100% - it needs to be about changing and reforming - not dismantling and de-funding Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2020 #169