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R B Garr

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80. AOC has the same type clips but from a "progressive" angle.

Thu Jun 18, 2020, 11:48 AM

Jun 2020

And the progressive angle says to challenge incumbent Democrats and target them for removal. I haven't heard Caruso do that. She is pro-business, something her district might be interested in. Caruso said Obama was very liberal -- isn't that a compliment according to those who claim to revere AOC's liberalism??

The difference now is that AOC has a record to run on and parts of that record is that she voted against jobs in her district. Caruso is for jobs. Both women are women of color and registered Democrats.

The subject of this thread was AOC's reluctance to debate. If I posted all the negative stuff on AOC I could find it would take a while and I bet wouldn't last.

Time to quit bashing this woman of color and registered Democrat. Time to move on. We're done here, as it seems that you refuse to quit bashing a Democrat and I can't reciprocate in kind, so time to move on. Thanks.

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Breaking: AOC finally accepts face-to-face debate challenge for congressional election [View all] George II Jun 2020 OP

Hope its online !! 👍 Budi Jun 2020 #1

Looks like it will be online at News 12 The Bronx George II Jun 2020 #19

Thanks Georgell. 7 pm ET tonight. Budi Jun 2020 #21

Sounds like a reasonable compromise to me to something that should liskddksil Jun 2020 #2

The thing is she said a week ago that she wouldn't appear, not mentioning "social distancing". George II Jun 2020 #4

My money's on AOC. marble falls Jun 2020 #3

Mine too. We need her voice in Congress. jalan48 Jun 2020 #24

Those comments are brutal! R B Garr Jun 2020 #5

Caruso-Cabrera is right winger Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #6

#truth nt liskddksil Jun 2020 #8

That was good enough for so-called "Independents" R B Garr Jun 2020 #9

She wrote a book calling for the end of social security and Medicare. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2020 #11

Lots of people write books--some even become millionaires! R B Garr Jun 2020 #12

Lol. Like I said... Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2020 #16

LOL, the hypocrisy R B Garr Jun 2020 #18

Yet her book was endorsed by Larry Kudlow. Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #27

At least it wasn't Putin. nt R B Garr Jun 2020 #28

Might as well be Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #29

Well, we know who Putin helped, and it wasn't R B Garr Jun 2020 #31

Who's talking about Crowley? Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #32

Random crap about books doesn't matter, either. R B Garr Jun 2020 #33

Her book proves Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #36

She is a woman of color and a registered Democrat. R B Garr Jun 2020 #39

She is a right winger Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #43

LOL, switching parties is good enough for the R B Garr Jun 2020 #49

Sounds like whataboutism Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #57

Sounds like excuses for hypocrisy. Attacking Democrats R B Garr Jun 2020 #62

+1 betsuni Jun 2020 #63

Then you must have never seen Caruso-Cabrera in TV Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #70

I haven't seen that from Caruso, but I have from AOC. R B Garr Jun 2020 #75

Then you haven't been paying attention Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #76

AOC has the same type clips but from a "progressive" angle. R B Garr Jun 2020 #80

Except AOC is a democrat Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #82

AOC's money has largely come from out of district. Caruso is a Democrat, as well. Caruso hasn't R B Garr Jun 2020 #84

Caruso-Cabrera is a right wing Republican Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #95

It's obvious you are just spamming this canard, which is a very familiar tactic. R B Garr Jun 2020 #98

Then you haven't been paying attention Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #104

I haven't seen Caruso attack Democrats, and the link you provided R B Garr Jun 2020 #106

You didn't see evolution happen either Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #111

This thread is about AOC's reluctance to debate Caruso. R B Garr Jun 2020 #114

No it is about Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #118

No, it is about AOC's reluctance to debate Caruso. R B Garr Jun 2020 #120

I don't watch money TV...but I know who she is...don't care for her much. Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #92

This is the second time you have responded to this post with the same distraction. R B Garr Jun 2020 #102

Not a distraction but a fact Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #108

Wall Street canards have been retired by the voters. R B Garr Jun 2020 #116

No they haven't Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #121

Yes they have R B Garr Jun 2020 #125

Another one entering this year's primary is one who didn't vote for Obama in 2012.... George II Jun 2020 #86

More whataboutisms Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #87

More excuses for hypocrisy. The "issue" is the debate yesterday and why AOC R B Garr Jun 2020 #89

Doesn't change the fact that Caruso-Cabrera Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #101

Caruso doesn't attack other Democrats under the name of "progressivism" R B Garr Jun 2020 #105

Then you've been ignoring her for years. Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #119

The link you provided showed her complimenting Obama. R B Garr Jun 2020 #122

Please she didn't mean it as a compliment Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #124

It sounded like a compliment to me. Calling Obama a liberal was a compliment. R B Garr Jun 2020 #127

She didn't mean it as a compliment Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #130

Calling Obama a liberal was a compliment. R B Garr Jun 2020 #131

No it wasn't Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #133

Saying Wall Street over and over was what didn't work. R B Garr Jun 2020 #134

The election results don't prove your assertion Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #137

This is just more sour grapes about Wall Street canards being rejected by voters. R B Garr Jun 2020 #141

Never rejected by voters Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #144

Totally rejected by voters. The 2018 results and the current primaries. R B Garr Jun 2020 #146

Again never rejected by voters Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #149

Saying Wall Street over and over failed at the ballot box. Totally rejected by voters. R B Garr Jun 2020 #151

Never failed at the ballot box Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #154

Failed completely at the ballot box. These last primary results R B Garr Jun 2020 #156

Results don't prove what you're claiming Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #159

Results were devastating and showed exactly that voters priorities were R B Garr Jun 2020 #162

No they didn't Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #163

I can recall a time when viatical settlements were considered to be progressive. TexasTowelie Jun 2020 #211

Yes, they did. That's how elections work. The results tell you who won and lost, and the R B Garr Jun 2020 #212

You have the patience of a saint. sheshe2 Jun 2020 #206

Hi she! Thanks, sometimes I have some extra time here and there, lol. R B Garr Jun 2020 #213

Good to see you too, RB. sheshe2 Jun 2020 #214

You, too, she! Hard to believe this year is half over already. R B Garr Jun 2020 #215

The New York Post is a right wing Murdoch rag. It's Trump's favorite NY newspaper. lapucelle Jun 2020 #186

True is it Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #189

So you linked to a right wing source knowing it was a right wing source? lapucelle Jun 2020 #193

It is bizarre JonLP24 Jun 2020 #228

Her platform is about jobs and government benefits. R B Garr Jun 2020 #229

If that's the case, she's not the only one who switched to run in the primary. George II Jun 2020 #85

Whataboutism Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #99

"Whatabout" a guy who belonged to a party that endorsed John McCain against Obama.... George II Jun 2020 #150

Don't know who you are talking about Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #157

She was living in Trump Tower before she decided to run womanofthehills Jun 2020 #219

My young neighbors really like their Amazon jobs. R B Garr Jun 2020 #222

People want jobs. And Amazon is better than other jobs in terms of pay and benefits...not as good Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #253

Agreed! Amazon could be better, but my neighbors are very R B Garr Jun 2020 #255

On top of that, the development as described in the media wasn't even going to be in her district... George II Jun 2020 #267

She is definitely well to the right of most local Democrats, and Hortensis Jun 2020 #66

Ocasio-Cortez didn't switch parties to run in a primary Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #71

Yup. And now this district has HER as their only real alternative Hortensis Jun 2020 #72

And guess where Caruso-Cabrera's funding is coming from? Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #73

Exactly. Great choice they're left in her, both Hortensis Jun 2020 #74

Caruso-Cabrera is a right wing Republican Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #79

So big donations are noble for "AOC" but... Hortensis Jun 2020 #88

Being funded by the right wing and wall street is never OK Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #96

Welp. sheshe2 Jun 2020 #208

Elizabeth Warren never lived in Trump Tower womanofthehills Jun 2020 #243

Exactly. Thank you. If outside money is bad for one, then it's bad for the other. R B Garr Jun 2020 #117

"Wall street" canards have pretty much been retired by the voters. R B Garr Jun 2020 #91

Yup. Among Democratic voters for sure. nt Hortensis Jun 2020 #93

Not a canard Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #97

Voters have rejected the Wall Street bogeyman stuff. That is the important measure. R B Garr Jun 2020 #100

No they haven't Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #109

Yes, they have. The 2018 election results and Joe Biden creaming the R B Garr Jun 2020 #112

No it doesn't Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #113

Yes it does. R B Garr Jun 2020 #115

No it doesn't Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #128

Yes it does R B Garr Jun 2020 #129

No they haven't Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #132

Only one has been challenging incumbent Democrats and flying R B Garr Jun 2020 #135

Yes, they have. Voters rejected the Wall Street canards in several elections now, R B Garr Jun 2020 #136

No they haven't Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #138

Yes, they have. The 2018 election results and the last primary results. R B Garr Jun 2020 #139

No they weren't Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #140

Yes, they were. The 2018 election results and the current primary results. R B Garr Jun 2020 #142

No they weren't Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #147

Yes, they were. The 2018 election results and current primary results. R B Garr Jun 2020 #153

No they weren't Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #158

Yes, they were. The 2018 election results and current primary results show that. R B Garr Jun 2020 #160

No they weren't Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #164

Yes, they were. This is just another distraction that is meaningless to what is happening now. R B Garr Jun 2020 #167

Not a distraction Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #169

Total distraction. Spamming failed talking points isn't going to change the subject R B Garr Jun 2020 #171

Not talking points Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #174

That article links back to the right wing rag The New York Post. lapucelle Jun 2020 #194

You have repeated yourself repeatedly throughout this thread. sheshe2 Jun 2020 #209

It is when applied to Democrats. Why do you think all Hortensis Jun 2020 #103

Yes Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #110

It's a shame she decided she had a chance in the 14th. Hortensis Jun 2020 #123

No they are voting for a right wing republican Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #126

I think it must be closer than we think or why would AOC have a debate?I know people who live in Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #90

Might be. Caruso-Cabrera is a professional Hortensis Jun 2020 #94

Except AOC has always been a democrat Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #107

There is only a small faction of Democrats advocating for third party candidates, R B Garr Jun 2020 #143

No she's been advocating for republicans Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #145

If advocating for Republicans is calling Obama a liberal...lol. R B Garr Jun 2020 #148

Yes it does Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #152

No, it doesn't. I haven't seen her going to incumbent Democrats districts and R B Garr Jun 2020 #155

You are ignoring who and what she is Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #166

Caruso hasn't gone around the country trying to primary solid, incumbent Democrats. R B Garr Jun 2020 #168

No she just been attacking them Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #170

AOC advocates for primarying incumbent Democrats. Caruso hasn't done that. R B Garr Jun 2020 #172

No she's been for Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #176

AOC has travelled to other districts around the country to primary incumbent Democrats. R B Garr Jun 2020 #178

That's called democracy Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #181

It's also democracy when someone challenges AOC on her actual record R B Garr Jun 2020 #183

Yes it is Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #191

We should be honest all the way around and admit R B Garr Jun 2020 #199

Well, fwiw, Caruso describes herself as a social liberal. Hortensis Jun 2020 #161

No she advocates GOP policy Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #165

Everyone is for jobs. Now AOC has a record to run on and she rejected the Amazon R B Garr Jun 2020 #173

Is everyone for abolishing Social Security and Medicare Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #175

Replacing incumbent Democrats with unelectable "progressives" is the same R B Garr Jun 2020 #179

Undetectable by who's measure? Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #182

Unelectable by the election results. Those superficial talking points R B Garr Jun 2020 #184

Which election results. Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #190

The double standard is the faux outrage that AOC R B Garr Jun 2020 #200

By the last elections. Obviously. R B Garr Jun 2020 #201

It's a very anti government book. womanofthehills Jun 2020 #47

Some Independents are very anti-Democrat. R B Garr Jun 2020 #50

None of Bernie books called for the end of Medicare and social security. Bill Clinton wrote books, Autumn Jun 2020 #244

The book was ten years ago. She didn't just change R B Garr Jun 2020 #245

I've examined all I need to examine. Autumn Jun 2020 #246

Oh yeah. It was quite decisive. R B Garr Jun 2020 #247

Lets stick to the subject shall we? Michelle Caruso-Cabrera. Here's what I have noticed. Autumn Jun 2020 #249

LOL, that was ten years ago. The subject isn't 10 years ago. R B Garr Jun 2020 #250

A leopard does not change it's spots. And that D behind her name is nothing concrete. Autumn Jun 2020 #251

She changed parties 5 years ago. Where is the outrage R B Garr Jun 2020 #252

AOC a registered Democrat and a woman of color. And AOC hasn't had to change to become a Democrat. Autumn Jun 2020 #254

MCC is a woman of color and a registered Democrat. R B Garr Jun 2020 #256

Well she was renting from Trump until last year. Still pushing her book and ideas to Autumn Jun 2020 #259

That link says contradictory things. It says she would have R B Garr Jun 2020 #260

The LATimes said Caruso's campaign was about 2 things: R B Garr Jun 2020 #261

Caruso-Cabrera was still pushing the book up until 2018 Celerity Jun 2020 #257

Hypocrisy is off the charts on this one. Autumn Jun 2020 #258

+1 betsuni Jun 2020 #248

Indeed. There's a few who slapped that D behind their name for 2016/2020. Budi Jun 2020 #17

She's a Democrat. George II Jun 2020 #34

No she's not Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #35

Hmmm, that sounds familiar. George II Jun 2020 #38

So what? Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #44

How many Dems have lived in Trump Towers and womanofthehills Jun 2020 #220

No wonder certain people are so fond of her melman Jun 2020 #77

The comments look like they are from Trump supporting right-wingers liskddksil Jun 2020 #7

Or people who want accountability from their reps-- R B Garr Jun 2020 #10

doesn't look like these commentators live in her district or even in NY for that matter liskddksil Jun 2020 #13

Speaking of out of district, I saw something about AOC R B Garr Jun 2020 #14

80% of her itemized contributions are from outside NYS, 28% from California. George II Jun 2020 #22

That is shocking. She was very concerned about R B Garr Jun 2020 #30

And MCC isn't? Looks like MCC has her some big Republican doners womanofthehills Jun 2020 #46

Where did AOC's money come from? Out of staters R B Garr Jun 2020 #51

80% of the documented contributions came from out of state... George II Jun 2020 #177

Excellent info! Thanks. The hypocrisy about someone daring to challenge R B Garr Jun 2020 #180

"maybe they should focus on their own representatives" R B Garr Jun 2020 #15

Did you know that AOC wasn't even living in the Bronx when she filed her candidacy in 2017? George II Jun 2020 #23

This is very interesting and revealing information to know. NurseJackie Jun 2020 #64

Indeed - both located at 714 South Gay Street, Knoxville, TN 37902 (from the FEC filing) George II Jun 2020 #65

FYI, I grew up in Queens in a neighborhood that at one time was in the 14th District, now in... George II Jun 2020 #37

Hey melman Jun 2020 #81

No you didn't. I lived in Queens for TWENTY FUCKING YEARS and NYC for 40 years!!!!! George II Jun 2020 #83

Your comment makes no sense? womanofthehills Jun 2020 #48

I was responding to a post that seemed to imply that AOC's district has turned on her liskddksil Jun 2020 #216

Michelle Caruso-Cabrera is a registered Democrat, not a trump supporting right-winger. George II Jun 2020 #20

I stand by my statement liskddksil Jun 2020 #25

Besides wanting to abolish Medicare and Socisl Secutity womanofthehills Jun 2020 #45

So ideology doesn't matter? jcgoldie Jun 2020 #217

There are some posters actually linking to Trump's favorite local right wing rag, the New York Post. lapucelle Jun 2020 #195

A close race may serve as a wake up call. nt oasis Jun 2020 #26

Here's a freshman Representative who truly impresses me! NurseJackie Jun 2020 #185

Sharice Davids immediately started working for her constituents, even before taking office.... George II Jun 2020 #187

Two offices? Wow! --- And they're ALL HER OWN? Not shared? Not a corner-desk with an answerphone? NurseJackie Jun 2020 #188

I like Rupaul, she's very entertaining and doing some great work.... George II Jun 2020 #196

Here you go... NurseJackie Jun 2020 #198

Wow, that took place at a time when the House was still in session! Generally.... George II Jun 2020 #204

I guess some representatives have different priorities. NurseJackie Jun 2020 #205

How can I watch this? W_HAMILTON Jun 2020 #40

Apparently it was on Bronx 12 News' Facebook page. It was on their website but only a few... George II Jun 2020 #41

Remember the sad little boy on the playground pulling pigtails? PandoraAwakened Jun 2020 #42

? George II Jun 2020 #52

What did you friend say about you collecting comments essme Jun 2020 #53

162 comments!! And then calling THAT person a "malignant stalker" !! Ironic. George II Jun 2020 #54

I have heard one other person in my life say essme Jun 2020 #56

I know, right? NurseJackie Jun 2020 #59

Yes. Imagine that, going to the trouble of tracking down 162 comments from a "certain poster"... George II Jun 2020 #61

I know many people who are genuinely clever, and then there are a few who are "too clever by half" NurseJackie Jun 2020 #67

... betsuni Jun 2020 #68

I imagine most of them could easily be gathered in one thread without any trouble . Autumn Jun 2020 #265

If you read the post, you'd see that person went over posts over the course of 30 days. George II Jun 2020 #266

Okay so a couple of threads on AOC or three. I doubt there is one everyday. Autumn Jun 2020 #268

30 days is 30 days. In some circles someone doing that would send up red flags.... George II Jun 2020 #269

I didn't see the word everyday, or 30 days for that matter. Autumn Jun 2020 #270

Hold up Lordquinton Jun 2020 #273

It doesn't. The outrage over 162 collected posts when some have spreadsheets is hilarious. Autumn Jun 2020 #274

That's some seriously committed hunting and gathering. betsuni Jun 2020 #55

People who have so many distractions and diversions are often undecided about more important things. NurseJackie Jun 2020 #60

What did you "friend" say about someone who collects mcar Jun 2020 #69

Lol. We know who it is. Only possible due to the wonders of modern medicine. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2020 #78

Post removed Post removed Jun 2020 #218

This message was self-deleted by its author George II Jun 2020 #225

Welp. sheshe2 Jun 2020 #210

Interesting. Autumn Jun 2020 #264

One thing about this subthread Lordquinton Jun 2020 #272

Wow! ACTUALLY in the Bronx... that's cool! NurseJackie Jun 2020 #58

Wow! Perhaps time to resurrect the Primaries Forum for discussions like this question everything Jun 2020 #192

Yes! Some are returning. R B Garr Jun 2020 #202

I'm an investor and long-time watcher of CNBC and other financial media. dawg Jun 2020 #197

Me too, watched CNBC for many years Sewa Jun 2020 #203

She is definitely a right-winger melman Jun 2020 #207

She already participated in a debate with Caruso-Cabrera and the others democrattotheend Jun 2020 #221

It was a virtual debate, not with the candidates in the same room... George II Jun 2020 #223

In fairness, she didn't run against Crowley during a global pandemic democrattotheend Jun 2020 #271

Wow, I guess policy positions are irrelevant to some people ... Humanist_Activist Jun 2020 #224

Is it that they're irrelevant.. melman Jun 2020 #226

Still subtly bashing "said individuals" on DU? First you imply that "said individuals" are lying.... George II Jun 2020 #227

Not sure what you're on about here melman Jun 2020 #230

I'm not "on" anything, another subtle assumption cloaking an insult. And.... George II Jun 2020 #231

You don't? melman Jun 2020 #232

I don't know anyone around here who has bashed a progressive congresswoman. George II Jun 2020 #233

Okay melman Jun 2020 #234

Exactly. She has a record of votes now, and everyone R B Garr Jun 2020 #235

Yes, and Progressive Punch, which is used here often to demonstrate a legislator's level.... George II Jun 2020 #236

. melman Jun 2020 #237

Where is that from? My data is from the well respected Progressive Punch and for ALL votes.... George II Jun 2020 #238

It come from Progressive Punch melman Jun 2020 #239

It doesn't say anything about what that selected data represents. My data.... George II Jun 2020 #240

Sorry melman Jun 2020 #241

But you refuse to say what sort you used. Look again at the OVERALL voting records.... George II Jun 2020 #242

So here is the debate. Unity, jobs, voting for Democrats.... R B Garr Jun 2020 #262

Kick for the actual debate: R B Garr Jun 2020 #263