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empedocles

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11. Does anyone doubt that an 'October Surprise', from trump

Thu Jun 18, 2020, 08:00 PM

Jun 2020

'Could Trump Turn a Vaccine Into a Campaign Stunt?
In a desperate search for a boost, he could release a coronavirus vaccine that has not been shown to be safe and effective as an October surprise.' - NYT
By Ezekiel J. Emanuel and Paul A. Offit
Dr. Emanuel and Dr. Offit are professors at the University of Pennsylvania.

republicon precedent:

'1972: Peace Is At Hand
Henry Kissinger’s infamous declaration that “peace is at hand” in Vietnam at a White House press conference less than two weeks before Election Day is one of the most infamous examples of the October surprise.'

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Please don't anyone get too excited about poll leads now. Hillary was very far ahead [View all] pnwmom Jun 2020 OP

Good point. We were sure we had it in 2016. Hoyt Jun 2020 #1

While I Agree In General... ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #2

Yes. And both candidates had high negative ratings. madinmaryland Jun 2020 #5

That was because there was a third person in the race -- Jill Stein -- pnwmom Jun 2020 #19

This RAB910 Jun 2020 #3

Thank you for finding that! n/t pnwmom Jun 2020 #21

hillary was never this far ahead. but dukakis was; so, point taken. unblock Jun 2020 #4

Does anyone doubt that an 'October Surprise', from trump empedocles Jun 2020 #11

Yes she was -- see the post immediately above yours. nt pnwmom Jun 2020 #20

Not really. Sure, there's a poll or two, but no time period where the average is that high. unblock Jun 2020 #32

Joe isn't also running against another progressive (Jill Stein) like Hillary was. pnwmom Jun 2020 #34

Fair points. Bit of apples and oranges. unblock Jun 2020 #37

True. However, the big difference this time though is that the undermining still_one Jun 2020 #6

Why don't you think there'll be a Comey-sequel ? AleksS Jun 2020 #15

They may try, but it's a rerun. Folks won't go for it. Anymore than they did Ukrainegate Thekaspervote Jun 2020 #18

Biden doesn't have to factor in misogyny Skittles Jun 2020 #7

just wait he might. Wait until he picks a VP before you are sure mucifer Jun 2020 #9

I am very optimistic for Joltin' Joe to trounce Fat Donny DonaldsRump Jun 2020 #8

At this rate, Trump won't make it to his convention Generic Brad Jun 2020 #10

Thanks, was wondering about Hillary's numbers........ a kennedy Jun 2020 #12

Two things to think about Poiuyt Jun 2020 #13

We elected Hillary in 2016 but the ratfucking won out...remember? abqtommy Jun 2020 #14

Yes, because her lead had dropped from the double digits to only about 2%. And that wasn't enough pnwmom Jun 2020 #22

I remember an intel guy in 2016 who said that votes were changed. That's ratfucking and it's abqtommy Jun 2020 #24

We lost in 16 because too many of the base did not show up. GulfCoast66 Jun 2020 #16

This should be the Bigly-est blowout ever... RANDYWILDMAN Jun 2020 #17

Considering he is running against the worst America has & can't improve? Brainfodder Jun 2020 #23

That just isn't true dsc Jun 2020 #25

Biden is not leading on his own merit Awsi Dooger Jun 2020 #27

actually Trump is doing better on average now than he was then dsc Jun 2020 #29

Oh BS!! Thekaspervote Jun 2020 #38

Dream on. Or, you could read about this CNN poll pnwmom Jun 2020 #28

For whatever reason that poll isn't in the RCP average dsc Jun 2020 #31

Yes -- all that and Jill Stein. Hillary had to divide the progressive vote with Stein, pnwmom Jun 2020 #35

My girlfriend is a good friend of mine.........but she never votes. Just doesn't. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2020 #26

One very major difference DFW Jun 2020 #30

Another major difference. roamer65 Jun 2020 #33

Agreed. DFW Jun 2020 #36

2020 is not 2016.20. LakeArenal Jun 2020 #39

There is no comparison. Clinton's lead went up (10 points) one month and 2 the next grantcart Jun 2020 #40

Hillary's lead was substantial till the Comey letter, which knocked it down to 2%. pnwmom Jun 2020 #41

Let me bring you up to date on the actual data grantcart Jun 2020 #42

Excellent statement of facts instead of myths. Clinton's % wasn't consistently high as Biden's. Prof.Higgins Jun 2020 #44

AND THERE IS STILL THE POSSIBILITY THAT blakstoneranger Jun 2020 #43

Agreed but she was never ahead like this budkin Jun 2020 #45

Did Lindsey Graham ever say anything nice about Hillary Clinton? nt greyl Jun 2020 #46

Not the same. For one thing, Biden isn't a woman or a Clinton kcr Jun 2020 #47