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crimycarny

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6. Apples and Oranges

Thu Jun 18, 2020, 11:53 PM

Jun 2020

Lots of differences between 2020 and 2016. First of all our country has never EVER experienced a President that was so morally bankrupt. He is a whole new low this country has never seen before... That alone might not have been enough had Trump never faced a crisis. but he’s had 2 (COVID-19 and nationwide civil protests over BLM), and he has failed at both spectacularly.

As for voter’s staying home the stakes are way too high regardless of polls for that to happen. No one will forget what happened in 2016 so I don’t think anyone is going to stay home this time, even if polls show Biden ahead by +25 points.

Nope, it’s different this time. I will not take this election for granted but I’m also not going to devolve into conspiracy theories and hand wringing. Nothing but an energy drain to go down that road.

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I am calling BS on polls showing Biden way ahead [View all] KentuckyWoman Jun 2020 OP

polls are pretty much just election porn this far out IMO. chatter time nt msongs Jun 2020 #1

Hopefully, we've learned our lesson on complacency, and want to stomp trumpsters Hoyt Jun 2020 #2

Hopefully we learned our lesson about people like James Comey. StevieM Jun 2020 #7

Honestly, believe voters not showing up cost us 1+%. Comey did too. Ticked off Democrats as well. Hoyt Jun 2020 #26

I totally disagree that Comey only cost us 1 percent. StevieM Jun 2020 #39

But, since we lost by less than 1% in 3 states, trump would have lost if people hadn't stayed home, Hoyt Jun 2020 #44

And that is the point...we could have won. Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #61

Agreed luv2fly Jun 2020 #3

Does it pain you? it pleases me. Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #50

Agree! Nothing about President Biden pains me!! Thekaspervote Jun 2020 #64

Who is this "they" you speak of? procon Jun 2020 #4

+1 DrToast Jun 2020 #20

the polls (with a few outliers) are fairly legit stopdiggin Jun 2020 #21

Well, it's them, of course. BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #28

One of the talking heads on MSNBC said the other day... Jeebo Jun 2020 #5

And Republicans were also against Trump in 2016 but when it all went down we know what happened. live love laugh Jun 2020 #19

Then He Was Wrong ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #41

You're missing her point. Jeebo Jun 2020 #54

I Missed Nothing ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #55

most people fall for the latest media shiny object treestar Jun 2020 #78

Apples and Oranges crimycarny Jun 2020 #6

100% agree. Tommymac Jun 2020 #42

Agree! Dems are not into a rerun of 16! They are anxious and enthusiastic to vote on 11/3 Thekaspervote Jun 2020 #65

A lot of people will vote just to get the fucker off the news 24x7. CrispyQ Jun 2020 #77

Not a bad way to think... Wounded Bear Jun 2020 #8

tRumpanzee trick is they often say they will vote for Hillary/Biden to blow up polls. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2020 #9

I don't blame you. I trust no one anymore. BigmanPigman Jun 2020 #10

GOTV, but... Lock him up. Jun 2020 #11

I don't understand the "complacency" thing. betsuni Jun 2020 #12

Not that I agree with the premise of the OP, but as for the importance of turnout... Silent3 Jun 2020 #14

THANK YOU !!! People didn't stay home it was Russian backed 3rd party candidates in swing states ... uponit7771 Jun 2020 #15

Thank YOU! betsuni Jun 2020 #17

It's total nonsense - the GOP made the "complacency" excuse in 1948 when Truman scored a shocking Midwestern Democrat Jun 2020 #16

True, but remember the EC treestar Jun 2020 #79

As far as I'm concerned, it's amazing that Biden isn't further ahead Silent3 Jun 2020 #13

Regardless of where he stands, we should always run like we are 20 points behind. smirkymonkey Jun 2020 #18

This is silly conspiracy mongering. Loki Liesmith Jun 2020 #22

Trump is toast. He might win 4 states, ID, WY, ND, SD, thats it. ALL the apathy voters will be his Baclava Jun 2020 #23

Mississippi says hi Polybius Jun 2020 #27

And UT obamanut2012 Jun 2020 #29

And OK for sure Polybius Jun 2020 #32

Re-taking FL and its delegates will wipe out all those states alone, PA will nail the coffin shut Baclava Jun 2020 #31

I agree Florida is a win at this point Polybius Jun 2020 #33

Ha! Exactly! Tipperary Jun 2020 #36

No way in hell! Nt USALiberal Jun 2020 #38

It's a long way to go rockfordfile Jun 2020 #72

I do not think being optimistic about winning negatively affects turnout. honest.abe Jun 2020 #24

I Agree ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #46

+1000 Thekaspervote Jun 2020 #66

If you don't have 50%, you don't have enough to win. kentuck Jun 2020 #25

Typically, when polls show a candidate well ahead NewJeffCT Jun 2020 #30

Yes. Which is why Trump is saying the polls are a conspiracy, calling them "suppression polls." highplainsdem Jun 2020 #35

We need to GOTV. But the polls aren't a conspiracy. highplainsdem Jun 2020 #34

Ummm.... no. Happy Hoosier Jun 2020 #37

+1 n/t Tommymac Jun 2020 #48

Sounds like you are in need of a ultra-dense tinfoil shield against those conspiracy theories being Nitram Jun 2020 #40

The only thing worse than a conspiracy theory is a lazy one. brooklynite Jun 2020 #43

You have no reason to say this...no facts to back up your assertion... Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #45

+1 n/t Tommymac Jun 2020 #49

Thank you... Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #59

+1 honest.abe Jun 2020 #51

Thank you. Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #58

Nobody gives a shit that Biden got paid for making speeches Recursion Jun 2020 #47

Polls are flawed because of how questions are asked about specific issues. Texin Jun 2020 #52

If I say what I think about you and this comment they will delete my post. mwb970 Jun 2020 #53

I agree but for different tin foil hat reasons... jimlup Jun 2020 #56

YOU TELL'EM KW! blakstoneranger Jun 2020 #57

I agree. Jamastiene Jun 2020 #60

Good idea seta1950 Jun 2020 #62

It isn't difficult for me to believe that Trump did an awful job for 3 1/2 years JonLP24 Jun 2020 #63

The polls are right the problem is.. scardycat Jun 2020 #67

Even if he IS ahead in the polls-- polmaven Jun 2020 #68

I'd really like to know who... reACTIONary Jun 2020 #69

Too far out to really make any assumptions - TBF Jun 2020 #70

Her point is don't be complacent!! Flash953 Jun 2020 #71

I agree that we must not be complacent but.... marmar Jun 2020 #73

I think the polls are just fine quaker bill Jun 2020 #74

National Polls are not as meaningful as I wish they were -- much like popular votes aikoaiko Jun 2020 #75

YOU ARE CORRECT Schmice3 Jun 2020 #76

At this point you would need tinfoil to think otherwise Runningdawg Jun 2020 #80