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If you spend more time and effort complaining about racist white women being called "Karen" [View all] StarfishSaver Jun 2020 OP

+1 Betty88 Jun 2020 #1

I'm not complaining about it. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2020 #2

OK StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #4

+1. lame and lazy stopdiggin Jun 2020 #101

When I reply to this thread that will be three Karen threads in the top three spots. SoonerPride Jun 2020 #3

To me, the issue isn't the Karening StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #5

Truth. They focus on the wrong things. Intentionally. SoonerPride Jun 2020 #6

.... CatWoman Jun 2020 #45

If white people can make being called Karen as bad as the oppression BIPOC face, then solving racism WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #55

+100000 Celerity Jun 2020 #80

this Celerity Jun 2020 #78

Try to diminish this all you want Cirque du So-What Jun 2020 #8

Labeling some abusive white women with a generic catch-all name isn't divisive. SoonerPride Jun 2020 #10

To hell with the name used Cirque du So-What Jun 2020 #14

This is so far down the line on the divisiveness spectrum StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #19

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man Cirque du So-What Jun 2020 #24

Why would you think I suggested that StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #33

I think I got my threads mixed up Cirque du So-What Jun 2020 #36

All I have to say is, Bye Felicia ! tulipsandroses Jun 2020 #7

Hmmm. Very interesting post. NurseJackie Jun 2020 #104

I think it is entirely possible to try to understand, face, and address the damage... Pacifist Patriot Jun 2020 #9

Isn't the term Karen morphing into a more generic insult toward any irrational entitled person? Sapient Donkey Jun 2020 #11

Seems to be morphing into a way to tell women to shut up. johnp3907 Jun 2020 #12

Many of that thread's replies refute this attempt to hijack the debate. The Karen meme has been Celerity Jun 2020 #51

"If those traits and behaviours are not applicable to a person, wryter2000 Jun 2020 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author ahoysrcsm Jun 2020 #118

I find it so very offensive Laurelin Jun 2020 #13

If you are alienated because of people using the word Karen in this way gollygee Jun 2020 #17

Hehehehehe malaise Jun 2020 #32

+100000 Celerity Jun 2020 #52

+1 fleur-de-lisa Jun 2020 #77

circular reasoning treestar Jun 2020 #128

"Maybe don't alienate the people who march beside you." StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #20

"Maybe don't alienate the people who march beside you." WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #23

woooooooooooooooooooosh nt Celerity Jun 2020 #54

Very good points. n/t MarcA Jun 2020 #66

You Will Get Nowhere RobinA Jun 2020 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author ahoysrcsm Jun 2020 #119

This is not an either/or thing. tinrobot Jun 2020 #15

Yes. So not mutually exclusive. LakeArenal Jun 2020 #26

Exactly. Absurd myopic OP Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2020 #83

Nothing new there. LakeArenal Jun 2020 #85

THIS. roamer65 Jun 2020 #39

And if you post about people expressing an opinion about the term LuckyCharms Jun 2020 #16

If you're not among those who spend more time fussing about the term "Karen" than fighting racism StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #21

+1 fleur-de-lisa Jun 2020 #79

Ha. Well done. Tipperary Jun 2020 #22

Happens a lot. A lot. LakeArenal Jun 2020 #28

Oh yes. Tipperary Jun 2020 #40

Yep. LakeArenal Jun 2020 #42

not fair enid602 Jun 2020 #18

K&R. White people will do anything to avoid talking about the actual problem. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #25

And my fear is customerserviceguy Jun 2020 #35

White women voters have broken for the Democratic presidential candidate only twice since 1952, so WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #38

I suppose that's right customerserviceguy Jun 2020 #41

When it comes to presidential elections, there's no "keeping" to be done. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #43

If some random black folk calling racist WW "Karen" is enough to keep them from voting with us StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #44

The problem I have customerserviceguy Jun 2020 #49

As I said, if the fact that some black people they don't know refers to some white people they don't StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #60

Then, keeping with that philosophy customerserviceguy Jun 2020 #64

Since you want to take that to such a ridiculous level, let's go for it StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #67

Nobody's called for that customerserviceguy Jun 2020 #69

I wasn't aware only black people used the term wryter2000 Jun 2020 #81

And white male voters voted for Trump in large numbers delisen Jun 2020 #58

The term Karen actually is a reminder that white women are the handmaidens of white supremacy. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #62

It started in the service industry with workers talking about middle aged women complaining. LizBeth Jun 2020 #76

thank you. the term has morphed (in some places) stopdiggin Jun 2020 #103

+1. I do only because I fit the description and now I get a flash if I do anything in public. LizBeth Jun 2020 #112

White men voted for Trump, but they lacked the votes to put him in office StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #63

+1000! mcar Jun 2020 #27

"Anna Karenina," the story of a Karen who will totally throw herself under a train if betsuni Jun 2020 #29

Ha!! nt gollygee Jun 2020 #31

roflmmaooooooo Celerity Jun 2020 #56

Thank you! NurseJackie Jun 2020 #30

The blue wave customerserviceguy Jun 2020 #34

Using "Karen" in this way is childish name calling. roamer65 Jun 2020 #37

Then, by all means, call them that. StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #46

Woman, not just WOC, women have been discriminated against for always. LizBeth Jun 2020 #47

Black people are not and aren't responsible for the term being used to StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #50

I did not blame black people for the creation of Karen. That was not the conversation I am having. LizBeth Jun 2020 #57

If you're trying to have a conversation about how white men use "Karen" to subjugate white women StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #65

The meme was created mostly by customer service industry which consists mostly of younger people. LizBeth Jun 2020 #73

I did not say anyone who has a problem with the term is a racist. StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #87

"you are part of the problem". I try very hard to address what is being said. I would suggest that LizBeth Jun 2020 #92

Being "a part of the problem" of racism in America doesn't make someone a racist StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #99

You are right, my experience does not equate to the harm inflicted on AA. My experience is the HARM LizBeth Jun 2020 #116

I agree. However... Caliman73 Jun 2020 #48

+1 LizBeth Jun 2020 #53

Well said. delisen Jun 2020 #75

That's your opinion. I don't necessarily agree. hamsterjill Jun 2020 #59

How did you get any of that from my OP? StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #68

Why do we need a gender specific term to talk about racism? jcgoldie Jun 2020 #61

How the 'Karen Meme' Confronts the Violent History of White Womanhood Celerity Jun 2020 #74

This is an excellent analysis. StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #89

I Can Only Hope RobinA Jun 2020 #106

That's what you take away from the Amy Cooper narrative? gollygee Jun 2020 #108

that has to be one of the worst hot takes of the month Celerity Jun 2020 #122

I've seen a few gollygee Jun 2020 #125

SMH mcar Jun 2020 #135

White women are both a tool and a weapon in the system of white supremacy; their role WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #82

... and all-to-often, eagerly embraced and defended StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #91

Exactly -- they're willing to sell out quite a bit to get the crumbs the white patriarchy deigns to WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #113

It's more than crumbs gollygee Jun 2020 #123

I don't object to the "Karen" usage, but people are capable of worrying about both Lucinda Jun 2020 #70

Honestly, the Karen thing is over. 33taw Jun 2020 #71

+1 Bettie Jun 2020 #84

How do you know we aren't doing both (and 10 other things)? Ilsa Jun 2020 #86

You seem to have missed the small but mighty word "If" that started the title of my OP StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #90

There are two distinct types. KKKarens and Karens. cayugafalls Jun 2020 #88

+1. You stated it precisely and clearly. Thank you. LizBeth Jun 2020 #94

Oh please, aquamarina Jun 2020 #93

Bingo. cwydro Jun 2020 #114

This a pointless rabbit hole DIVINEprividence Jun 2020 #95

They should be called out... but... countryken Jun 2020 #96

Karen's are a part of the problem GeorgeGist Jun 2020 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author morillon Jun 2020 #100

"My issues can fucking get in line" StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #105

This message was self-deleted by its author morillon Jun 2020 #107

... StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #110

I don't complain, I acknowledge that it bothers some individuals IronLionZion Jun 2020 #102

You've hit the nail on the head. PTWB Jun 2020 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author morillon Jun 2020 #111

What about non-racist white women being called Karen? List left Jun 2020 #115

What of it? StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #117

So she had to deal with the horrible problem of being called Karen gollygee Jun 2020 #121

"...they all started chanting Karen Karen." Mariana Jun 2020 #147

I try not to be a Dick about it ThoughtCriminal Jun 2020 #120

If you think that name-calling memes on the Internet ... Straw Man Jun 2020 #124

Who do you know interested in the fight against racism who would lose interest StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #126

No one. Straw Man Jun 2020 #127

They're no more a waste of time and effort than complaining about them are StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #129

So we agree then -- a total waste of time, as per your original post. Straw Man Jun 2020 #130

I didn't say that. You did. StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #131

You started by saying that complaining about them is a waste of time. Straw Man Jun 2020 #132

Have you ever studied basic Algebra or Logic? StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #133

Yes. Straw Man Jun 2020 #136

I just call people who act like that EllieBC Jun 2020 #134

Just explained this to an unnamed DUer- my wife and I had to deal JCMach1 Jun 2020 #137

There are people that just work at making others lives harder. I am customer service and I do not LizBeth Jun 2020 #138

Precisely... My worked ticketing with Emirates Airlines JCMach1 Jun 2020 #139

Stereotyping and calling people part of the problem is part of the problem. gulliver Jun 2020 #140

Because it isn't just about racist white women kcr Jun 2020 #141

.... CatLady78 Jun 2020 #142

I agree with you StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #143

Thank you CatLady78 Jun 2020 #144

Complaigning about the use of "Karen" edhopper Jun 2020 #145

Turning a common name into a bad word doesn't Progressive dog Jun 2020 #146