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PTWB

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76. Indeed.
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 03:07 PM
Jun 2020

The confederate flag is NOT a statue of Abraham Lincoln. I'm happy I was able to help you reach that conclusion. Banning the confederate flag at events where it has historically been ubiquitous, removing it from the flag of Mississippi, toppling confederate statues and renaming military bases that had been named after confederate generals are all examples of iconoclasm. Iconoclasm is not, as you suggested, a "dead end." Just the opposite in fact.

I'm sorry I misunderstood your previous post. When you wrote, "Note the degree of opposition you are arousing here, on this forum" I understood you to be talking about the forum. You seem to craft your posts with more than a modicum of precision and if you'd intended to call attention to this thread I would have expected you to say so specifically, which is why my response included references to past threads.

As you are certainly aware the tides of acceptance are ever shifting in society. Not long ago gay marriage was illegal and supporting it was considered a losing political issue. Marijuana was illegal and supporting legalization was considered a losing political issue. Black Lives Matter was originally met with huge pushback from mainstream society as being too radical but now look at the movement roar!

Soon I will be able to say the same for 'defunding' the police - which really means disbanding the police and reforming law enforcement in the image of modern society. That movement could do with some branding and marketing assistance but it will get there.

It wont be long before removing statues and monuments to racist white men, despite their contributions to our nation's history, will be seen as just as acceptable as the aforementioned "radical" movements are today.

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Just have no statues of people, period cabot Jun 2020 #1
Statues of donuts? Your idea is full of holes. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2020 #13
You made my eyes glaze over. mercuryblues Jun 2020 #17
Then my job here is done. cabot Jun 2020 #31
Nice one! LOL NT cabot Jun 2020 #30
Horses make good statues rusty fender Jun 2020 #72
The history catches up ... PTWB Jun 2020 #2
I've never understood the concept of carving faces into mountains cabot Jun 2020 #3
Mt. Rushmore in its "natural state" would just be another hill in the region. former9thward Jun 2020 #85
Lincoln kept the country from disintegrating and he was a really good man. milestogo Jun 2020 #4
Teach about him extensively. Don't idolize. PTWB Jun 2020 #6
men back then all thought they were superior to women Skittles Jun 2020 #24
and anti LGBT sentiment was rife as well dsc Jun 2020 #34
We shouldn't have them. PTWB Jun 2020 #45
America would have been cut in two without Lincoln Skittles Jun 2020 #51
Im fine with it in a museum of American history. PTWB Jun 2020 #52
and l like it where it is Skittles Jun 2020 #53
Many people like it where it is. PTWB Jun 2020 #57
So do I. nt Tipperary Jul 2020 #111
Why do we need idols? WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #9
Wonder that myself. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2020 #93
Lincoln saved the Union. Let's not get carried away with the hate. It will bite you in the ass. dem4decades Jun 2020 #5
It isn't hate. Caliman73 Jun 2020 #20
hahaha! hilarious. the notion that Lincoln shouldn't be honored SiliconValley_Dem Jun 2020 #104
Plus he was assassinated by Booth. Frasier Balzov Jun 2020 #22
+1 BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #40
"How many white people were pro-black in the 19th century?" WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #7
Going through proper channels is so there can be a discussion and debate Sapient Donkey Jul 2020 #110
FFS. A little learning is a dangerous thing... Hekate Jun 2020 #8
this is crazy....... Takket Jun 2020 #10
MLK cheated on his wife and plagiarized in grad school. milestogo Jun 2020 #12
Those are not ideological offenses. Straw Man Jun 2020 #15
Exactly, and that's what they are doing to Lincoln. milestogo Jun 2020 #18
MLK wasn't perfect either. BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #41
Time For A Head Count On This Sort Of Thing, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #11
Which is perhaps why it is being reported. Caliman73 Jun 2020 #25
The Way It Works, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #28
Sir, your command of the English language is astounding to me. trof Jun 2020 #33
Thank You For The Kind Words, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #75
Yessir, George knew his way around the English language. trof Jun 2020 #88
My Favorites, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #90
It's a beautiful language in the minds and hands of those who know how to use it. trof Jun 2020 #91
He Is a Marvel, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #92
In other words. They make people uncomfortable. Caliman73 Jun 2020 #38
To No Good End, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #50
This is the essential part misanthrope Jun 2020 #96
Thank You, My Friend The Magistrate Jun 2020 #99
Contrarian tendencies work in opposition misanthrope Jun 2020 #101
Romanticizing white men is a dangerous game. PTWB Jun 2020 #26
Do You Seriously Imagine Me Ignorant Of The Lincoln-Douglas Debates, Sir? The Magistrate Jun 2020 #32
I don't know you so I don't imagine you ignorant, or knowledgeable, of any subject. PTWB Jun 2020 #48
In Other Words, Sir, You Have No Idea Of The Context In Which The Statement You Brandish Was Made The Magistrate Jun 2020 #54
Yes, those are other words. PTWB Jun 2020 #56
By All Means, Sir, Proceed To Instruct Me The Magistrate Jun 2020 #58
No, dear, no. PTWB Jun 2020 #59
'Thine Own Mouth Condemneth Thee' The Magistrate Jun 2020 #61
Ever consider retaining an editor? PTWB Jun 2020 #62
You Continue To Amuse, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #67
Thanks for taking the time to write that up. PTWB Jun 2020 #68
Iconoclasm Is a Dead End, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #70
Not at all. PTWB Jun 2020 #73
The Confederate Flag, Sir, Is Not A Statue Of Abraham Lincoln The Magistrate Jun 2020 #74
Indeed. PTWB Jun 2020 #76
We Have Our Dreams, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #81
Very true. PTWB Jun 2020 #82
Cute, Sir, But No Cigar The Magistrate Jun 2020 #83
Correct me if I'm wrong... PTWB Jun 2020 #87
Of Course You Are Wrong, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #89
I'm beginning to see where our views diverge. PTWB Jun 2020 #94
Not At All, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #97
Hmm. PTWB Jun 2020 #98
You Fail To Demonstrate That Caused The Vote, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #100
Let's keep an eye on those goalposts shall we? We don't want them meandering on down the block. PTWB Jun 2020 #106
Why? SlogginThroughIt Jun 2020 #37
Well if we find a human who has done no wrong perhaps we can erect a statue to them PTWB Jun 2020 #47
Yeah. That's now what I was objecting to. SlogginThroughIt Jun 2020 #60
Old news BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #42
Very old news! Over 150 year old news :) PTWB Jun 2020 #46
What he said. trof Jun 2020 #29
Oration in Memory of Abraham Lincoln (Frederick Douglass Washington DC 14 April 1876) struggle4progress Jun 2020 #14
Thank you. milestogo Jun 2020 #16
Thank You, Sir, For The Contemporary View The Magistrate Jun 2020 #21
Sell out! Caliman73 Jun 2020 #27
That Frederick Douglass is still doing some great work. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2020 #63
He remains a giant in American rhetoric and a great proponent of organizing: struggle4progress Jun 2020 #108
Few Can Touch Him, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2020 #109
Thank you. Kid Berwyn Jun 2020 #107
may as well tear down statues of men because they thought they were superior to women Skittles Jun 2020 #19
hang on, let me get my sledgehammer milestogo Jun 2020 #55
We should just erase all past history and declare this to be Year Zero. Crunchy Frog Jun 2020 #23
Let's wait till next year. egduj Jun 2020 #66
Yeah, this shit will win us tons of elections GulfCoast66 Jun 2020 #35
What makes you think the people doing this are on our side? Mariana Jun 2020 #77
Welp jcgoldie Jun 2020 #36
How to lose a winable election. lol tman Jun 2020 #39
Bingo! The average person is going to think think this is nuts. Quixote1818 Jun 2020 #79
Just wrong and stupid. boston bean Jun 2020 #43
There bdamomma Jun 2020 #44
Oh, ffs. GoCubsGo Jun 2020 #49
Can't support this. Happy Hoosier Jun 2020 #64
"Dedicated cation" misanthrope Jun 2020 #102
Freakin' iPad autocorrect! Thanks! Happy Hoosier Jun 2020 #103
I believe in Democracy, let the UW Madison community decide JCMach1 Jun 2020 #65
Apparently only the protesters get to decide Sewa Jun 2020 #80
Fuck 'em Polybius Jun 2020 #69
I Applaud Your Brevity, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #71
Let's make sure we win this election before getting too eager these type of things at the moment Quixote1818 Jun 2020 #78
OK this is getting to be quite a bit ridiculous. Initech Jun 2020 #84
This is just going overboard!!!! dware Jun 2020 #86
Seems like an Attention Seeking Type that wants to feel they are superior and "purer" than JI7 Jun 2020 #95
these people are blithering idiots SiliconValley_Dem Jun 2020 #105
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