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Fiendish Thingy

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73. I read every word of your post, and disagreed with your non-evidence based opinion
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 06:11 PM
Jun 2020

Your opinions are not supported by the available data.

I don't think Warren brings much to the table, since I don't think she would necessarily bring any voters to the table who aren't already there.

On the other hand, I do think Kamala Harris, Stacey Abrams, Val Demmings and some of the other black women mentioned would bring out many voters - particularly black voters - who might not otherwise come out.


Those are opinions not supported by the available data, which shows that choosing Warren would increase support for the ticket, especially among Black voters and young voters, both of whom were less supportive of the Democratic ticket in 2016 than in 2012.

If you have data (not anecdotes or hunches) showing that Val Demings would generate more support for the ticket, especially in swing states/Rust Belt states, than Warren would, please share it. I would support Demings as VP if the data showed she generated the most support for the ticket, and gave the ticket the best chances of winning in November. So far, I have not seen it.

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What about Kamala as AG? nt Phoenix61 Jun 2020 #1
I believe she has said she's not interested in that role or the Supreme Court. writes3000 Jun 2020 #2
That was in 2014 when asked if she wanted Phoenix61 Jun 2020 #3
AG is kind of a dead-end job, politically tinrobot Jun 2020 #80
I doubt that Warren will be the VP nominee Gothmog Jun 2020 #4
Harris got even less support in the primaries JonLP24 Jun 2020 #6
So you are okay with losing a Senate seat? Gothmog Jun 2020 #11
In Massachusetts, the appointment is temporary until the next scheduled primary election, BComplex Jun 2020 #31
Another would be an all-white ticket, an obvious error... brush Jun 2020 #28
After Harris and Booker left Warren was the only still having conversation and reaching out to the LizBeth Jun 2020 #9
I saw no real support for her in Texas among African American voters Gothmog Jun 2020 #13
Regardless what you saw, she does have support from the AA community. And respect. LizBeth Jun 2020 #15
We will see Gothmog Jun 2020 #17
Biden wanted Warren in 2016 writes3000 Jun 2020 #18
Warren is the smartest, the strongest and can excite. Three one. LizBeth Jun 2020 #65
You've been against Warren forever. One reason or another. BComplex Jun 2020 #32
Why Trump's attempt to tag Biden as a tool of the radical left isn't working Gothmog Jul 2020 #90
Over one article? How about all the articles that say Elizabeth Warren is the one most democrats BComplex Jul 2020 #93
Harris has been incredibly proactive in the community as well as Lucinda Jul 2020 #96
Please don't spread the myth about Warren as VP costing Dems the senate majority Fiendish Thingy Jun 2020 #48
Have they taken the necessary steps yet? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2020 #55
The timing of the legislation is affected by the timing of Warren's resignation Fiendish Thingy Jun 2020 #58
Yes, that's the point - no one wants to wait for a special election muriel_volestrangler Jun 2020 #59
What the Democrats will NOT do, is screw up the Senate. If Biden chose Warren, I am confident beyond LizBeth Jun 2020 #66
This is not a myth Gothmog Jun 2020 #60
It's a myth perpetuated by the MSM Fiendish Thingy Jun 2020 #72
A lot of the myth carriers are Democrats that are rooting for a different VP because it serves their LizBeth Jun 2020 #76
Good luck with this theory Gothmog Jun 2020 #82
The poll in the OP is from May, here's a newer one from Economist/YouGov showing Harris in the lead PunkinPi Jun 2020 #51
I have seen this polling Gothmog Jun 2020 #61
I agree. nt PunkinPi Jun 2020 #64
You will like this polling Gothmog Jul 2020 #91
I do, and saw it earlier today. PunkinPi Jul 2020 #92
Yes they are jocking position of the #1 position serving under a VP that well has the confidence of LizBeth Jun 2020 #67
Wow. You mean all black voters don't think alike? StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #5
Mind-blowing, isn't it? writes3000 Jun 2020 #7
Do you believe this? EffieBlack Jun 2020 #40
IKR? StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #46
Some of Warren's most committed supporters were black men and women so blm Jun 2020 #43
That and the narrative also assumes that black people are so blinded by color that StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #47
Warren is one helluva policy details queen. Appreciative wonks come in ALL blm Jun 2020 #52
It always amazes me the way these articles are written.. HipChick Jun 2020 #78
It's pretty clear that there's a last-ditch effort afoot to get Biden to pick Warren StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #85
Harris would be great in AG. Warren compliments Biden weakness, we need her to go after Wallstreet LizBeth Jun 2020 #8
Warren would make sure the trump cabal didn't get away with their crimes. BComplex Jun 2020 #33
Warren just is not going to cow. But, Harris speaks up too. I love our women, lol. LizBeth Jun 2020 #68
I love Liz Warren but - AkFemDem Jun 2020 #10
How about Susan Rice? DinahMoeHum Jun 2020 #12
I really like Susan Rice Gothmog Jun 2020 #14
I favor Susan Rice As Well colsohlibgal Jun 2020 #21
Number one on my list. Most qualified, too. demosincebirth Jun 2020 #27
Rice is not on voters' Radar, and would help the ticket about as much as Tim Kaine did nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2020 #49
Will she help flip any swing states? Trumpocalypse Jul 2020 #94
I am not telling any woman that it is their time to sit down and be quiet. We have been told that LizBeth Jun 2020 #20
I'm with you ace3csusm Jun 2020 #22
70 IS NOT OLD!!! I'm sick of people saying that. BComplex Jun 2020 #34
she would be 80 years old if Biden gets 2 terms ace3csusm Jun 2020 #54
I strongly disagree. Both Biden and Warren are sharp Qutzupalotl Jun 2020 #30
Great post! Thank you!!! BComplex Jun 2020 #36
Another reason I really like Warren is she excites our young people. I am around lots of 20 somethin LizBeth Jun 2020 #69
:) She's an iconoclast, with very big but achievable goals. Hortensis Jun 2020 #81
That's great for a presidential candidate, but it's irrelevant and even a demerit for a VP nom EffieBlack Jun 2020 #87
Sorry I confused you, Effie. Frances Perkins carried out ONLY Hortensis Jun 2020 #88
Exactly. I agree with it all. LizBeth Jul 2020 #97
This! unitedwethrive Jun 2020 #42
IOW, either one would be fine! ananda Jun 2020 #16
✔️ blm Jun 2020 #44
Rice zipplewrath Jun 2020 #19
I think Biden secretly has her tabbed as his future Secreatry of State Seasider Jun 2020 #25
Makes sense since she's a former US Ambassador to the UN. . . DinahMoeHum Jun 2020 #38
In my opinion it's Kamala's gig to lose. She just ticks too many boxes to be passed over. Seasider Jun 2020 #23
Kamala's just not that popular. I'm glad she's on our side, but I don't care for her. BComplex Jun 2020 #37
All these "Dems are divided" stories are getting kind of boring... Wounded Bear Jun 2020 #24
I think in this time space, any pick that is not a black woman... Happy Hoosier Jun 2020 #26
Yep, an all-white ticket would not be smart with all the BLM... brush Jun 2020 #35
Warren checks all the boxes Calculating Jun 2020 #29
Where will the Bernie supporters go if he doesn't choose Warren? Budi Jun 2020 #41
Some black voters wanting one candidate and some wanting another is only a story EffieBlack Jun 2020 #39
✔️✔️✔️ blm Jun 2020 #45
It absolutely should be a given. Imagine my surprise when I was listening to a lot of people LizBeth Jun 2020 #70
The number one job of VP is to help the ticket win, period. Follow the data, folks Fiendish Thingy Jun 2020 #50
How many of those voters who prefer Warren would not vote for Biden if someone else is the VP nom? StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #53
Ask the same question in reverse Fiendish Thingy Jun 2020 #56
You obviously didn't read my post StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #62
I read every word of your post, and disagreed with your non-evidence based opinion Fiendish Thingy Jun 2020 #73
What is this ""available data" of which you keep speaking? StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #79
Numerous polls taken in the past 6-8 weeks consistently have Warren as voters 1st choice for VP Fiendish Thingy Jun 2020 #83
Your data either fail to refute what I said, don't say what you claim they do or are inconsistent StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #84
Warren is strongest with young people. And the same X factor applies... writes3000 Jun 2020 #57
Biden does NOT have the black vote locked up StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #74
I think Warren and Biden will bring out the black vote and I think neither Warren or Biden is needed LizBeth Jun 2020 #71
Seriously? StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #75
I have listened to the vocal black community and I have confidence and faith in their strength. LizBeth Jun 2020 #77
Those are *my* top two choices, and *I* can't decide. Reader Rabbit Jun 2020 #63
I wouldn't want either one of them. DFW Jun 2020 #86
72% of Democrats say it's important Biden choose a woman of color as VP. Gothmog Jul 2020 #89
ok, either/or TeamPooka Jul 2020 #95
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