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PTWB

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106. Let's keep an eye on those goalposts shall we? We don't want them meandering on down the block.
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 01:05 PM
Jun 2020

Your previous assertion was that radical and destructive actions taken against symbols of systemic racism and oppression are ineffective and, in fact, greatly responsible for the lack of progressive improvements we all seek. I can think of little that is more symbolic than burning down a police precinct when protesting systemic oppression, brutality and racism within that police department. And yet less than a month later the council in charge of that police precinct was unanimously voting to disband that very police department.

While we can dicker the day away over the cause and effect, we have three very simple issues here: action, response and result.

Action: George Floyd was murdered by the police department.
Response: Massive protests across the city (and the country) culminating in the symbolic burning of the 3rd Police Precinct.
Result: The city council votes to disband the police department and people across the country are supporting Black Lives Matter in droves.

We've seen murder after murder after murder of unarmed black men by the State. Some of these were met with protests, many were not. But it was not until significant force was applied along with these protests - through the damage of property and the economic damage leveraged against corporations resulting in them joining their voices to ours - that suddenly things are beginning to change.

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Just have no statues of people, period cabot Jun 2020 #1
Statues of donuts? Your idea is full of holes. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2020 #13
You made my eyes glaze over. mercuryblues Jun 2020 #17
Then my job here is done. cabot Jun 2020 #31
Nice one! LOL NT cabot Jun 2020 #30
Horses make good statues rusty fender Jun 2020 #72
The history catches up ... PTWB Jun 2020 #2
I've never understood the concept of carving faces into mountains cabot Jun 2020 #3
Mt. Rushmore in its "natural state" would just be another hill in the region. former9thward Jun 2020 #85
Lincoln kept the country from disintegrating and he was a really good man. milestogo Jun 2020 #4
Teach about him extensively. Don't idolize. PTWB Jun 2020 #6
men back then all thought they were superior to women Skittles Jun 2020 #24
and anti LGBT sentiment was rife as well dsc Jun 2020 #34
We shouldn't have them. PTWB Jun 2020 #45
America would have been cut in two without Lincoln Skittles Jun 2020 #51
Im fine with it in a museum of American history. PTWB Jun 2020 #52
and l like it where it is Skittles Jun 2020 #53
Many people like it where it is. PTWB Jun 2020 #57
So do I. nt Tipperary Jul 2020 #111
Why do we need idols? WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #9
Wonder that myself. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2020 #93
Lincoln saved the Union. Let's not get carried away with the hate. It will bite you in the ass. dem4decades Jun 2020 #5
It isn't hate. Caliman73 Jun 2020 #20
hahaha! hilarious. the notion that Lincoln shouldn't be honored SiliconValley_Dem Jun 2020 #104
Plus he was assassinated by Booth. Frasier Balzov Jun 2020 #22
+1 BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #40
"How many white people were pro-black in the 19th century?" WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #7
Going through proper channels is so there can be a discussion and debate Sapient Donkey Jul 2020 #110
FFS. A little learning is a dangerous thing... Hekate Jun 2020 #8
this is crazy....... Takket Jun 2020 #10
MLK cheated on his wife and plagiarized in grad school. milestogo Jun 2020 #12
Those are not ideological offenses. Straw Man Jun 2020 #15
Exactly, and that's what they are doing to Lincoln. milestogo Jun 2020 #18
MLK wasn't perfect either. BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #41
Time For A Head Count On This Sort Of Thing, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #11
Which is perhaps why it is being reported. Caliman73 Jun 2020 #25
The Way It Works, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #28
Sir, your command of the English language is astounding to me. trof Jun 2020 #33
Thank You For The Kind Words, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #75
Yessir, George knew his way around the English language. trof Jun 2020 #88
My Favorites, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #90
It's a beautiful language in the minds and hands of those who know how to use it. trof Jun 2020 #91
He Is a Marvel, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #92
In other words. They make people uncomfortable. Caliman73 Jun 2020 #38
To No Good End, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #50
This is the essential part misanthrope Jun 2020 #96
Thank You, My Friend The Magistrate Jun 2020 #99
Contrarian tendencies work in opposition misanthrope Jun 2020 #101
Romanticizing white men is a dangerous game. PTWB Jun 2020 #26
Do You Seriously Imagine Me Ignorant Of The Lincoln-Douglas Debates, Sir? The Magistrate Jun 2020 #32
I don't know you so I don't imagine you ignorant, or knowledgeable, of any subject. PTWB Jun 2020 #48
In Other Words, Sir, You Have No Idea Of The Context In Which The Statement You Brandish Was Made The Magistrate Jun 2020 #54
Yes, those are other words. PTWB Jun 2020 #56
By All Means, Sir, Proceed To Instruct Me The Magistrate Jun 2020 #58
No, dear, no. PTWB Jun 2020 #59
'Thine Own Mouth Condemneth Thee' The Magistrate Jun 2020 #61
Ever consider retaining an editor? PTWB Jun 2020 #62
You Continue To Amuse, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #67
Thanks for taking the time to write that up. PTWB Jun 2020 #68
Iconoclasm Is a Dead End, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #70
Not at all. PTWB Jun 2020 #73
The Confederate Flag, Sir, Is Not A Statue Of Abraham Lincoln The Magistrate Jun 2020 #74
Indeed. PTWB Jun 2020 #76
We Have Our Dreams, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #81
Very true. PTWB Jun 2020 #82
Cute, Sir, But No Cigar The Magistrate Jun 2020 #83
Correct me if I'm wrong... PTWB Jun 2020 #87
Of Course You Are Wrong, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #89
I'm beginning to see where our views diverge. PTWB Jun 2020 #94
Not At All, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #97
Hmm. PTWB Jun 2020 #98
You Fail To Demonstrate That Caused The Vote, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #100
Let's keep an eye on those goalposts shall we? We don't want them meandering on down the block. PTWB Jun 2020 #106
Why? SlogginThroughIt Jun 2020 #37
Well if we find a human who has done no wrong perhaps we can erect a statue to them PTWB Jun 2020 #47
Yeah. That's now what I was objecting to. SlogginThroughIt Jun 2020 #60
Old news BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #42
Very old news! Over 150 year old news :) PTWB Jun 2020 #46
What he said. trof Jun 2020 #29
Oration in Memory of Abraham Lincoln (Frederick Douglass Washington DC 14 April 1876) struggle4progress Jun 2020 #14
Thank you. milestogo Jun 2020 #16
Thank You, Sir, For The Contemporary View The Magistrate Jun 2020 #21
Sell out! Caliman73 Jun 2020 #27
That Frederick Douglass is still doing some great work. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2020 #63
He remains a giant in American rhetoric and a great proponent of organizing: struggle4progress Jun 2020 #108
Few Can Touch Him, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2020 #109
Thank you. Kid Berwyn Jun 2020 #107
may as well tear down statues of men because they thought they were superior to women Skittles Jun 2020 #19
hang on, let me get my sledgehammer milestogo Jun 2020 #55
We should just erase all past history and declare this to be Year Zero. Crunchy Frog Jun 2020 #23
Let's wait till next year. egduj Jun 2020 #66
Yeah, this shit will win us tons of elections GulfCoast66 Jun 2020 #35
What makes you think the people doing this are on our side? Mariana Jun 2020 #77
Welp jcgoldie Jun 2020 #36
How to lose a winable election. lol tman Jun 2020 #39
Bingo! The average person is going to think think this is nuts. Quixote1818 Jun 2020 #79
Just wrong and stupid. boston bean Jun 2020 #43
There bdamomma Jun 2020 #44
Oh, ffs. GoCubsGo Jun 2020 #49
Can't support this. Happy Hoosier Jun 2020 #64
"Dedicated cation" misanthrope Jun 2020 #102
Freakin' iPad autocorrect! Thanks! Happy Hoosier Jun 2020 #103
I believe in Democracy, let the UW Madison community decide JCMach1 Jun 2020 #65
Apparently only the protesters get to decide Sewa Jun 2020 #80
Fuck 'em Polybius Jun 2020 #69
I Applaud Your Brevity, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #71
Let's make sure we win this election before getting too eager these type of things at the moment Quixote1818 Jun 2020 #78
OK this is getting to be quite a bit ridiculous. Initech Jun 2020 #84
This is just going overboard!!!! dware Jun 2020 #86
Seems like an Attention Seeking Type that wants to feel they are superior and "purer" than JI7 Jun 2020 #95
these people are blithering idiots SiliconValley_Dem Jun 2020 #105
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