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In reply to the discussion: UW-Madison students call for removal of Lincoln statue [View all]struggle4progress
(126,710 posts)108. He remains a giant in American rhetoric and a great proponent of organizing:
... Let me give you a word of the philosophy of reform. The whole history of the progress of human liberty shows that all concessions yet made to her august claims, have been born of earnest struggle. The conflict has been exciting, agitating, all-absorbing, and for the time being, putting all other tumults to silence. It must do this or it does nothing. If there is no struggle there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom and yet deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters.
This struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, and it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress ...
Frederick Douglas
WEST INDIA EMANCIPATION
Canandaigua NY 3 August 1857
This struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, and it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress ...
Frederick Douglas
WEST INDIA EMANCIPATION
Canandaigua NY 3 August 1857
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Mt. Rushmore in its "natural state" would just be another hill in the region.
former9thward
Jun 2020
#85
Lincoln saved the Union. Let's not get carried away with the hate. It will bite you in the ass.
dem4decades
Jun 2020
#5
Going through proper channels is so there can be a discussion and debate
Sapient Donkey
Jul 2020
#110
Do You Seriously Imagine Me Ignorant Of The Lincoln-Douglas Debates, Sir?
The Magistrate
Jun 2020
#32
I don't know you so I don't imagine you ignorant, or knowledgeable, of any subject.
PTWB
Jun 2020
#48
In Other Words, Sir, You Have No Idea Of The Context In Which The Statement You Brandish Was Made
The Magistrate
Jun 2020
#54
Let's keep an eye on those goalposts shall we? We don't want them meandering on down the block.
PTWB
Jun 2020
#106
Well if we find a human who has done no wrong perhaps we can erect a statue to them
PTWB
Jun 2020
#47
Oration in Memory of Abraham Lincoln (Frederick Douglass Washington DC 14 April 1876)
struggle4progress
Jun 2020
#14
He remains a giant in American rhetoric and a great proponent of organizing:
struggle4progress
Jun 2020
#108
may as well tear down statues of men because they thought they were superior to women
Skittles
Jun 2020
#19
Let's make sure we win this election before getting too eager these type of things at the moment
Quixote1818
Jun 2020
#78