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Music Man

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Sun Jun 28, 2020, 11:25 PM Jun 2020

Trafalgar Group poll shows Trump leading slightly in Wisconsin. Talk me down. [View all]

The same outfit has Biden leading by only one point in Michigan this week (whereas most other pollsters have Biden well ahead in Michigan): https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/

Before anyone dismisses it outright as a conservative pollster with a C-rating from 538, Trafalgar gained notoriety for being one of the few to correctly predict Trump would win Michigan and Pennsylvania in 2016, as well as a few other state-level polls, such as Florida. According to my reading, they are designed to use questions to get at voters' psychology as well as short polls to incorporate more people who might not otherwise participate in the process.

I dread another scenario where the polls we've been taking as gospel turn out to be wrong, and there are outfits like Trafalgar who apparently have something unbeknownst to us figured out. I can't live through another election night like 2016 again.

Is there something in Trafalgar's work this year that is skewing it toward Trump? Anybody smarter at statistics than I care to take a whack at this? It is wild to me that some polls can show Biden leading in Wisconsin by 10, while ones like this show him losing by one or two. *Somebody* is wrong.

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Until recently Trump has been leading in WI all year. tman Jun 2020 #1
Wisconsin lost it's mind some years ago; elleng Jun 2020 #2
One of the reasons is they gave up hand counted paper ballots at the precincts in exchange for diva77 Jun 2020 #15
EVIDENCE, not a reason. elleng Jun 2020 #16
just a quick search - found that repugs controlled the WI legislature after the 2010 census, they diva77 Jun 2020 #17
theres been two or three polls showing it neck and neck in michigan too jorgevlorgan Jun 2020 #3
It's one poll to add to the average RandySF Jun 2020 #4
Liars, damn liars, and statisticians. nt Phoenix61 Jun 2020 #5
They weren't right for most of the 2016 race, but then Comey turned things upside down at the end. StevieM Jun 2020 #6
The Wisconsin political structure has been infiltrated by the Kochs. Midnight Writer Jun 2020 #7
So, the few who did get 2016 prediction right obviously knew Doreen Jun 2020 #8
The Trafalgar sample skews much older than the other Wisconsin polls VMA131Marine Jun 2020 #9
The last three reputable polls for WI had Biden leading outside the margin of error Poiuyt Jun 2020 #10
Without knowing anything about this pollster, it shows even. What I find strange about this poll is still_one Jun 2020 #11
Hear me out: that might be a good thing Jake Stern Jun 2020 #12
We should assume we are behind regardless what the polls indicate still_one Jun 2020 #13
you crack me up SiliconValley_Dem Jun 2020 #14
Are you just looking for stuff to freak out about budkin Jun 2020 #18
They are a robocall pollster. 538 rates them as a c- . RDANGELO Jun 2020 #19
Why waste time on things like this ? Even if polls had Biden leading everyone STILL has to vote JI7 Jun 2020 #20
Females don't participate in standard percentage in Wisconsin Awsi Dooger Jun 2020 #21
so much concern obamanut2012 Jun 2020 #22
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