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148. I get why they're talking about Trump resigning and Pence pardoning him before the election.

Wed Jul 1, 2020, 04:12 PM

Jul 2020

It gives Pence the opportunity to choose a VP. If they waited until after Trump loses, then the VP slot remains empty after Pence becomes President. This way, after the election, Pence can also resign and have whoever his VP is ascend to the Presidency and pardon Pence too.

Two things:

1) Accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt and a forfeiture of 5th amendment rights. Sounds like a witness list in the making for any and all GOP operatives and enablers regardless of what their position is as of January 2021.

2) The state prosecutions will continue. The likes of collaborators such as Don Jr. would definitely fair better at Club Fed than they would at Rikers.

As things get uncovered, people are going to demand accountability and justice. This pardon free-for-all is a ploy they're going to regret.

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I just heard something interesting from a Rethug Insider here in Philly [View all] PCIntern Jul 2020 OP

Interesting Captain Zero Jul 2020 #1

That wouldn't be good evilhime Jul 2020 #76

Pence will have a worse case of "Ford's Folly" than Ford himself. Eyeball_Kid Jul 2020 #89

Maybe the destruction of the repulican party Turbineguy Jul 2020 #157

If Trump doesn't run and Pence is the nominee DonaldsRump Jul 2020 #171

+1 Jarqui Jul 2020 #195

I don't think Haley would do it PJMcK Jul 2020 #201

I don't think Ford had a legal leg to wnylib Jul 2020 #208

pence is not royal material. his certitude doesn't sell to authoritarians like trump's certainot Jul 2020 #125

He doesn't have to resign before the election. Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #129

but why would he? Orangepeel Jul 2020 #144

Also Trump then doesn't have to endure losing, which may be a major factor for him. n/t Chemisse Jul 2020 #165

That isn't what the scenario says. Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #176

The irony would be COL Mustard Jul 2020 #178

I agree seta1950 Jul 2020 #132

If this somebody had any ethics and morals he would be saying it publically. olegramps Jul 2020 #92

I get why they're talking about Trump resigning and Pence pardoning him before the election. citizen blues Jul 2020 #148

When there is a VP vacancy the President nominates and Congress confirms. LiberalFighter Jul 2020 #154

Right. citizen blues Jul 2020 #155

Remember Barr helped Papa Bear Bush SallyHemmings Jul 2020 #164

Trump pardons Pence first ... VMA131Marine Jul 2020 #190

Interesting MLAA Jul 2020 #2

Her parents depend on her, too. Scarsdale Jul 2020 #64

Chain migration. Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #131

Yup. And Melania brought her sister over here too, 4 people total using chain migration. SunSeeker Jul 2020 #143

He'll never resign. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #81

I have a hard time thinking he will resign TimeToGo Jul 2020 #109

No, his survival depends on getting installed again. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #113

Either way, trump won't show for the inauguration. alfredo Jul 2020 #187

As for McCain's reason for choosing Palin, the first visual that comes to mind, is... Frustratedlady Jul 2020 #3

No question PCIntern Jul 2020 #5

It wasn't just looks TlalocW Jul 2020 #88

And a particular type of charisma The Mouth Jul 2020 #173

McCain got a boner, Palin got the nod. It's that simple. stopbush Jul 2020 #111

I wonder TimeToGo Jul 2020 #112

Former Republicans in my family did not vote for McCain phylny Jul 2020 #119

In Those Days I Voted Reliably Republican COL Mustard Jul 2020 #179

it was putin. manafort was mccains campaign cochair. limbaugh would not support mccain certainot Jul 2020 #116

Speaking of Limpballs, is he still broadcasting? Frustratedlady Jul 2020 #123

he comes in for a day or few then can't make it in for a while. the whole talk radio-led certainot Jul 2020 #130

Karma is a bitch. I know one of his long-time followers and will be glad when he no longer spews Frustratedlady Jul 2020 #135

To the whole entourage that brought her in she was MILF. As an ex-medic, I would have enjoyed...... usaf-vet Jul 2020 #124

I disagree. He wanted Joe Leiberman, who was an ugly cuss. Chemisse Jul 2020 #168

Makes sense... MontanaMama Jul 2020 #4

Did he mention who he thinks would run in his place? Freddie Jul 2020 #6

Didn't he say Pence would pardon him? IMO that implies it would be Pence. brush Jul 2020 #18

In theory genxlib Jul 2020 #51

If he resigns I think Pence automatically becomes president. brush Jul 2020 #55

Yeah, that is what I meant genxlib Jul 2020 #84

I think a lot of us here remember Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2020 #193

Nelson Rockefeller would have been a good President IMHO FakeNoose Jul 2020 #203

If Biden wins, Trump can resign between election day and inauguration day... thesquanderer Jul 2020 #70

I keep pointing out to iq45* that if he just stayed a lousy salesman in NY, we would not niyad Jul 2020 #69

The OP, at least, didn't set out the timing. Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #137

I don't think his thinking is that clear... jimlup Jul 2020 #205

Has the deadline for filing volstork Jul 2020 #49

Filings occur after the national conventions. LiberalFighter Jul 2020 #156

At this point, it would have to be pence because of the time. I suppose they could nominate catbyte Jul 2020 #60

Romney has no chance if winning against Biden and even less chance JI7 Jul 2020 #114

Wouldnt work. The RW wont vote for a "RINO" even if it means an evil Democrat wins. oldsoftie Jul 2020 #153

This may just be wishful thinking in your friend's part MaryMagdaline Jul 2020 #7

Time will tell but I can't see Trump cut and run on the national stage dutch777 Jul 2020 #8

A pardon can be pre-emptive (as Nixon's was).... lastlib Jul 2020 #25

Trump has a million potential state charges waiting for him Downtown Hound Jul 2020 #67

That may be our best hope. lastlib Jul 2020 #71

Nixon was given immunity, not a pardon sanatanadharma Jul 2020 #121

The President issuing the pardon can make it applicable.... lastlib Jul 2020 #140

Curious I am, how much discretion the Prez has sanatanadharma Jul 2020 #145

McCain lost it for me... Bush cronies insult his daughter. 3Hotdogs Jul 2020 #101

If I were Mrs. Cruz (perish the thought)... 3catwoman3 Jul 2020 #127

Thanks for this malaise Jul 2020 #9

And then Pence will run with Nikki Haley. Which I had always thought would happen pnwmom Jul 2020 #10

Would "Mother" allow that? Siwsan Jul 2020 #22

Sure she would. pnwmom Jul 2020 #41

Unless Trump waits until after the election to resign. n/t Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #139

I agree. Haley always had the backhanded way of "agreeing" with trump. oldsoftie Jul 2020 #151

If that happens, just watch The Lincoln Project do a 180 and go after Biden. n/t Liberal In Texas Jul 2020 #11

I Don't Think They Like Pence Either ProfessorGAC Jul 2020 #14

I don't think they will leftieNanner Jul 2020 #15

Rick Wilson says Trumpism just be rooted out--including his enablers. I'll keep my fingers crossed tblue37 Jul 2020 #45

You should actually listen to the LP people. They like Biden JI7 Jul 2020 #106

they hate Pence also. they also don't like nikki haley JI7 Jul 2020 #107

One can dream Midnightwalk Jul 2020 #12

It would likely be harder for Biden. Old school repubs will gladly pull the lever for Pence. progressoid Jul 2020 #78

Could be Midnightwalk Jul 2020 #120

Agree, the trifecta of charges will certainly do him in. He deserves to be brought before the Hague onetexan Jul 2020 #186

Bingo! Duppers Jul 2020 #167

Hope your friend is correct - makes sense to me... Sancho Jul 2020 #13

This is something I can believe. Kablooie Jul 2020 #16

I bet he'd make a run for it. calimary Jul 2020 #35

If he doesn't win his main concern will be to avoid consequences from his presidential years. Kablooie Jul 2020 #48

He and his family can cut and run but they can't hide - anywhere. pazzyanne Jul 2020 #110

Putin's trophy will be running the US rump government in exile. Marcuse Jul 2020 #142

Rid of him but it's a short-term victory if we don't finally start to reign in GOP crimes. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #85

Interesting. Thank you for sharing. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2020 #17

When McCain defended Obama from that nasty old white woman who tried to paint him Goodheart Jul 2020 #19

Exactly. PCIntern Jul 2020 #20

What would trump say? I just don't see a "presentation" that is trump like in how he would do it themaguffin Jul 2020 #87

Mccain would have done the same even if he could win JI7 Jul 2020 #108

Wouldn't it be funny if he resigned and Pence stiffed him on the pardon? CanonRay Jul 2020 #21

Yes shanti Jul 2020 #53

That is my hope bottomofthehill Jul 2020 #188

How can Pence pardon him? C OH Dem Jul 2020 #23

Yes. Nixon was. n/t Mr.Bill Jul 2020 #28

Welcome to DU, C OH Dem! calimary Jul 2020 #43

Yep. Al Franken told a story. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2020 #194

The biggest problem the GOP has Mr.Bill Jul 2020 #24

I can see him cutting and running (even to Russia) rocktivity Jul 2020 #26

And leaving hundreds of millions in debt behind. louis-t Jul 2020 #46

He most likely owes the Russians a shit-ton of cash, too. SeattleVet Jul 2020 #61

It's wouldn't be Russia but SA. Duppers Jul 2020 #169

tRump is not, will not resign, this is his shining reality show moment, an idiot playing an idiot yaesu Jul 2020 #27

He will resign, after the election Johnny2X2X Jul 2020 #29

Agreed. Also, if the Rs forced him out the magats would revolt MarcA Jul 2020 #103

I can see that. However Trump would have to Roc2020 Jul 2020 #30

Re grantcart Jul 2020 #31

"He isn't playing to win he's playing to monetize." crickets Jul 2020 #52

"He isn't playing to win he's playing to monetize." Strelnikov_ Jul 2020 #58

I've long thought McCain picked Palin b/c he didn't really want to win bobbieinok Jul 2020 #32

Karl Rove was behind the Palin pick. McCain was told (and convinced) Baltimike Jul 2020 #33

Palin was not "historic" as a woman veep pick. Sogo Jul 2020 #68

Yes INDEED she was... Baltimike Jul 2020 #133

It was a calculated "can't miss" Freddie Jul 2020 #80

indeed, that too. nt Baltimike Jul 2020 #134

He won't cut and run SpaceNeedle Jul 2020 #34

Welcome to DU, SpaceNeedle! calimary Jul 2020 #50

Why should we trust trump to do something that sane, practical and decent at this point? Paladin Jul 2020 #36

it sounds very plausible to me LymphocyteLover Jul 2020 #37

Just another ML bucolic_frolic Jul 2020 #38

Trump has avoided the consequences of his actions... Mazeltov Cocktail Jul 2020 #39

Dump Is Basically SDJay Jul 2020 #40

Criminals walk Traildogbob Jul 2020 #42

Good point. Sogo Jul 2020 #75

That could cause chaos in the GOP. They'd get slaughtered even more. OrlandoDem2 Jul 2020 #44

Followers of MF45 absolutely hate Romney. bronxiteforever Jul 2020 #56

Would Jeb Bush or John Kasich be interested? nt Duppers Jul 2020 #170

I would like to believe this but I can't. NoMoreRepugs Jul 2020 #47

Same here Sherman A1 Jul 2020 #57

I don't either. cwydro Jul 2020 #198

Oh course the only question is when he resigns PuppyBismark Jul 2020 #54

That would be terrible. Pardoning of executive miscreants is........ jaxexpat Jul 2020 #59

Very intresting. Pence pardoning zentrum Jul 2020 #62

Trump will resign by the end of July - Nikki Haley accepts nomination at GOP convention in late Aug. Red Oak Jul 2020 #63

"Red Oak," as in Ernst's hometown? Sogo Jul 2020 #77

Then we need to see if there's evidence that Pence conspired with Trump to keep his crimes hush hush Mr. Ected Jul 2020 #65

Not true at all. He can pardon anybody (except himself) for any reason. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #93

Not from prison. Mr. Ected Jul 2020 #147

You mean like after Iran-Contra, Bush didn't become President, 'cause he went to jail? lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #152

Pence can't pardon Trump because Trump has never Downtown Hound Jul 2020 #66

Ford gave Nixon a blanket pardon; no charges were ever filed. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #90

State charges don't apply to such a pardon Downtown Hound Jul 2020 #96

No, nobody can pardon him from state charges. Thought you meant the federal pardon. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #98

Been saying he'd resign to my wife for a couple months. plimsoll Jul 2020 #72

My husband has been saying the same. Duppers Jul 2020 #174

The problem is 2 conflicting needs. plimsoll Jul 2020 #184

To be pardoned, you need to be convicted of something first, correct? Brainfodder Jul 2020 #73

Nixon was pardoned, but never charged. Pathwalker Jul 2020 #102

OK, then pardon accepting is an ADMISSION of guilt? Brainfodder Jul 2020 #117

Well that is their best option to save the party long term PaulRevere08 Jul 2020 #74

Yeah, but Trump wouldn't care about that..... Sogo Jul 2020 #79

They didn't title the movie "Game Change" for nothing. A HERETIC I AM Jul 2020 #82

If they cut and run RussBLib Jul 2020 #83

AMEN! Duppers Jul 2020 #175

Presidential pardons require being found guilty dlk Jul 2020 #86

Ford pardoned Nixon. No charges were ever filed against Nixon. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #94

I thought I read some time ago that a president can pardon someone Eyeball_Kid Jul 2020 #95

Would be funny if Pence lies to him and then does not pardon him. OverBurn Jul 2020 #91

That's probably the only way that the white-haired wonder could compete in the election. Eyeball_Kid Jul 2020 #99

If it turns out as your friend indicates Dan Jul 2020 #97

He can't be pardoned if he isn't convicted apnu Jul 2020 #100

Wrong. This thread has plenty of explanations. Pathwalker Jul 2020 #105

Ford's pardon of Nixon was actually immunity sanatanadharma Jul 2020 #136

But the parties could strike a deal, as they did with Hortensis Jul 2020 #115

This is true and better said than others I've read around here. apnu Jul 2020 #158

Yes. I was disappointed that Nixon wasn't prosecuted. Hortensis Jul 2020 #163

Pence won't win Nululu Jul 2020 #104

Pence can't pardon because Trump is not formally charged with anything. Grins Jul 2020 #118

Pence can't just blanket it pardon him for everything he's ever done wrong in his life. cbdo2007 Jul 2020 #122

What would happen If the Dems filed articles of impeachment against Pence and Trump on the same day. usaf-vet Jul 2020 #126

Pence won't win Dopers_Greed Jul 2020 #128

I think Trump will wait until after November 3rd to resign... jimlup Jul 2020 #181

He's still embezzling campaign funds, you can bet on it FakeNoose Jul 2020 #204

Very interesting. WinstonSmith4740 Jul 2020 #138

That's always been a Never Trumper wet dream. RGTIndy Jul 2020 #141

I think it's wishful thinking for a number of reasons Warpy Jul 2020 #146

I hope they all tell him that he can win and doesn't resign. LiberalFighter Jul 2020 #149

If Pence agrees to pardon the Trump family his goose will be cooked. LiberalFighter Jul 2020 #150

It all sounds like the truth to me. Joinfortmill Jul 2020 #159

They're deluded if they think he's going to skate by on the state crimes. GoCubsGo Jul 2020 #160

Exactly what my husband said days ago Duppers Jul 2020 #161

For what it's worth, I think he will resign prior to election also. EOM tiredtoo Jul 2020 #162

He'd better hurry then - because this bounties issue will likely take Pence down too Lucinda Jul 2020 #166

It fits trump's pattern, but we don't know enough about Putin's stick or carrot. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2020 #172

I don't think Trump is in line for any pardons jmowreader Jul 2020 #177

So could he resign after November 3rd's loss and Pence still pardon him? jimlup Jul 2020 #180

The latest nonsensical version of Trump stepping down Awsi Dooger Jul 2020 #182

we'll see. until then. we keep fighting that asshole every day in every way SiliconValley_Dem Jul 2020 #183

I have seen predictions of Biden getting up to 432 Electoral Votes amuse bouche Jul 2020 #185

I don't think Trump would've come out in favor of masks today Raine Jul 2020 #189

Trump can't be pardoned, the constitution forbids pardons in cases of impeachment W T F Jul 2020 #191

Who would pardon Pence? Chicago1980 Jul 2020 #192

I that happened, I wonder if Pence would really pardon Trump? Would the republicans brewens Jul 2020 #196

Wow! I Posted this on the fly and PCIntern Jul 2020 #197

But why saddle McCain with PALIN of all people? Beartracks Jul 2020 #199

She had had a profile in one of the magazines PCIntern Jul 2020 #200

This sounds like they are trying it on to see they could make it fly. Ford_Prefect Jul 2020 #202

As I stated in the OP PCIntern Jul 2020 #206

He will wait until after the election Curtis Jul 2020 #207