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FunkyLeprechaun

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58. As a person that has read her tweets/essay repeatedly
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 05:21 PM
Jul 2020

I’m baffled as to what the “anti-trans” views are.

She has praised trans people and has sided with them. She has many who agree with her.

There are two things that she is rightfully concerned about, and they’re absolutely line with Democratic principles:

1) Women’s rights- women all over the world are still discriminated and abused on the basis of their sex. Femicide in Mexico, menstrual huts in Nepal, women are still subjugated in the Middle East. Women have fought for decades to participate in sport fairly (Title IX, the Boston Marathon, equal pay in soccer and tennis etc).

She has criticised the skirting of the word women whilst talking about important issues regarding women’s bodies (one tweet she criticised the term “people who menstruate”). We need to talk about how we can be inclusive to BOTH women and the trans/nb community while talking about issues surrounding the health of the female body.

We’re all generally well educated. I have two degrees, so I’m fairly aware of what the language surrounding menstruation and other health issues means. However, there are women who may not have had the same access to education and may not understand what it means (perhaps due to sex discrimination). In fact, the link Rowling discussed was talking about period education in the third world.

2) Children’s rights. Rowling’s latest tweets cover this quite well.

Before I got into this debate, I was actually a bit annoyed with how incredibly gendered toys were. Regular electronic toys and PINK electronic toys. The “girl” toys were in an aisle awash in pink. The toys were in an aisle marked “Boy” had toys I would have played with as a little girl. Even some of the baby clothes I got for my daughter came from the boy section because I thought to myself , “A girl can wear this!”

The deeper I got into this, I finally understood why everything became so gendered compared to my childhood. There is an organisation called Mermaids, initially founded by parents of gender nonconforming children (I was definitely one as a child). The current CEO, Susie Green talked about when she decided that her son was actually a girl (I’m going to use female pronouns from then on here), started her on puberty blockers and then finally took her to Thailand to have bottom surgery at 16.

That alone appalled me. Who thinks their 2 year old son is a girl? Who thinks it’s okay to give a child medicine to stunt their puberty? Who thinks it’s okay to take a 16-year-old child to another country to have a body part removed?

I then looked some more: Mermaids gives talks about how you can tell a child is trans. If a girl plays with GI Joe and refuses to wear dresses, they must be a boy and vice versa for boys. They were essentially saying my 8-year-old self would have been trans according to their guidelines, I was a dress-hating, dinosaur-loving, Lego fanatic at 8 and my bedroom was awash in blue, train sets and pirate ships. My parents left me alone, in fact, they indulged me in my hobbies. They never thought once that I was trans (my mum was pretty much the same at 8- dress-hating and played with “boy” toys).

Recently, the NHS (quoted by Mermaids and Stonewall) said that If you stop puberty blockers, the effects are reversible. They’ve now removed that from their guidelines. Medical professionals are worried about what effects these medicines have on the brains of children. Anecdotally, detransitioners such as Sinead Watson and Keira Bell, who is suing the Tavistock Centre, have said they’ve suffered from the effects. Trans people such as Buck Angel have talked about how cross sex hormones have negatively impacted their bodies. They all are vehemently against children getting hormones.

There’s a very good programme called Newsnight and they talked about The Tavistock Centre (one of the UKs few gender clinics)



I was so incredibly disappointed to hear about Rowling’s initial tweets but after I read her tweets, plus reading the constant abuse she got, made me change my mind on the issue. The multiple trans people I followed on twitter who explained why they supported Rowling made me understand the issue better. There is a very good “story in images” essay on Medium documenting her tweets and the replies she got from those tweets.

https://medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-78e01dca68d

Recently, she’s been getting hardcore porn/dick picks from TRAs on her tweets in which she praises children for their artwork for her upcoming book. This is constant male harassment on a woman.

I thought this site would have sided with her, especially since we talk about women’s issues quite a bit and often criticise countries that have limited women’s rights. Children’s rights as well.

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Cancel Rowling soothsayer Jul 2020 #1
This - she's a bigot n/t FreeState Jul 2020 #27
What a stupid letter JonLP24 Jul 2020 #2
That seems to be the general consensus. N/T lapucelle Jul 2020 #3
And don't forget these (courtesy of Daniel dale) soothsayer Jul 2020 #4
If you can't see twitter, it's trump urging to: soothsayer Jul 2020 #6
+1 Nevilledog Jul 2020 #7
I find some of the names attached to that letter bewildering. lapucelle Jul 2020 #10
Me too. Mike 03 Jul 2020 #15
Yeah, that jumped out at me too. Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #17
His understanding of the alt-right and the rise of fascism hasn't really kept up with reality. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #21
Maybe He Thinks RobinA Jul 2020 #143
"Both sides" of what? WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #145
Right And Left RobinA Jul 2020 #176
"Wait until you hear about racism and sexism." fleur-de-lisa Jul 2020 #5
Exactly! mountain grammy Jul 2020 #114
Telling it like it is. oasis Jul 2020 #126
Do not even use the term Cancel Culture Sanity Claws Jul 2020 #8
"Cancel Culture" Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #18
Holding people responsible is right Sanity Claws Jul 2020 #23
Oh, I agree with you Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #34
You'd be able to run them down faster snort Jul 2020 #43
Hold on a minute... lame54 Jul 2020 #22
haha. You are so right. Sanity Claws Jul 2020 #25
"Cancel Culture" is a right-wing shibboleth. backscatter712 Jul 2020 #102
+100000 Celerity Jul 2020 #199
The only ones who cry about this are those who suck. JNelson6563 Jul 2020 #9
Imagine being sad when you have to hear the little people's objections to your views. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #11
I've always respected Chomsky janterry Jul 2020 #12
What does it mean to "value all speech"? WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #20
There is a difference between... lame54 Jul 2020 #26
+1 Nevilledog Jul 2020 #31
Cancel culture is practiced by those that are afraid janterry Jul 2020 #46
Cancel culture is simply a passive method designed to avoid the consequences of free speech LanternWaste Jul 2020 #49
I agree with you cabot Jul 2020 #53
Bullshit... lame54 Jul 2020 #59
I hate wind turbines. I'm a radical environmentalist and leftist. hunter Jul 2020 #70
Disagree strongly. Caliman73 Jul 2020 #71
Very well said. Doodley Jul 2020 #84
Yep. No need to pay bigots to spout their bigotry. Nt lostnfound Jul 2020 #104
So when Rowling spouts TERF nonsense, what should we do? Cuthbert Allgood Jul 2020 #39
We ShOuLd VaLuE It WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #50
Whatever you do gird your loins before daring to dissent on the one of her Twitter threads TubbersUK Jul 2020 #62
My money is mine - I tend to avoid buying things from people that piss me off. backscatter712 Jul 2020 #113
She Should Not Be Punished RobinA Jul 2020 #147
Why shouldn't transgender people mass respond? Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #153
She's not being punished for her speech. People are pushing back on a platform that allows such WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #164
Rowling's Disagreement RobinA Jul 2020 #179
"Sure, just like David Duke's disagreement with Black people is one way of looking at an issue, WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #180
Block her vile hate speech. Voltaire2 Jul 2020 #178
One imagines that if we value speech, we then realize the consequences of that speech. LanternWaste Jul 2020 #48
Well, except for the speech deemed "cancel culture" kcr Jul 2020 #103
Wow. This is really stupid. You are free to say things. People are free to not like what you say. Squinch Jul 2020 #13
Yes - such a pompous, inane letter IMO - read it twice & can't find any substance in it n/t TubbersUK Jul 2020 #19
Dummies JustAnotherGen Jul 2020 #14
Ummm, no... Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #16
As a person that has read her tweets/essay repeatedly FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2020 #58
She just likened transitioning to "conversion therapy" Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #61
If you watch the BBC Newsnight excerpt FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2020 #72
I recall her being defended by the cast Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #121
"She just likened transitioning to "conversion therapy"" Doodley Jul 2020 #85
I am aware of no reputable Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #119
What process are you talking about? Doodley Jul 2020 #127
of dosing 2 and 4 year olds with hormones. Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #170
No, I don't know of that process either, but the process of reinforcing that a Doodley Jul 2020 #182
Again, I have seen no credible evidence that Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #183
Are you kidding me? Doodley Jul 2020 #184
In the video of the Tavistock Centre FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2020 #132
Thank you for bringing it to my attention Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #169
One point though Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #171
Thanks for a well reasoned post. nt delisen Jul 2020 #66
You're welcome FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2020 #75
did jk rowling write this WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #69
Thank you romana Jul 2020 #81
This is a big oof. "TRAs?" Really? Sophia_Of_PlanetX Jul 2020 #90
My answers FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2020 #94
Re: Sophia_Of_PlanetX Jul 2020 #95
Fallon Fox, MtF trans, seriously injured Tamikka Brents and destroyed her career. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2020 #201
The Federalist is a Conservative, Pro-Trump Propaganda Site. Also, Responses Below... Sophia_Of_PlanetX Jul 2020 #204
Radfems DO NOT HATE transwomen. They have a right to exist. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2020 #205
Every TERF I've seen online or IRL absolutely hates trans women and wants them not to exist. Sophia_Of_PlanetX Jul 2020 #206
Thanks. Like you, at first, I was disappointed cabot Jul 2020 #99
Have you looked at the 'TransTrain' Documentary? janterry Jul 2020 #133
I haven't FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2020 #135
We knew a family in FL janterry Jul 2020 #136
Anybody who believes Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2020 #186
The tavistock therapists believe there is a push. janterry Jul 2020 #191
You aren't Trans Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2020 #187
I'm not trans, that's right FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2020 #189
10 years of therapy?! Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2020 #198
Buck himself said therapy took a while FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2020 #200
Therapy is always part of the process Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2020 #203
Her Opinions RobinA Jul 2020 #148
Sounds good to me n/t Devil Child Jul 2020 #24
Sounds good to me too. Owl Jul 2020 #101
WTF happened to Rowling??? NT Bleacher Creature Jul 2020 #28
She's been TERFing for years. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #29
She's upset because she's down to her last 14.3 million Twitter followers poor thing TubbersUK Jul 2020 #35
Her two major fan groups Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #37
Cancel the cancel culture? soothsayer Jul 2020 #30
"Cancel" is not censorship. hunter Jul 2020 #32
JK Rowling wrote some absolutely genius kids' books & oversaw their wonderful movies. ... Hekate Jul 2020 #33
Based on the recent backlash, Rowling's signature is most likely an exercise in self-service. lapucelle Jul 2020 #41
Which begs the question: what are they all reading into it, and what are we? Hekate Jul 2020 #65
Many of them are of an era that has a different concept of liberalism and progressivism than the WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #67
I don't think that is what is meant by illiberalism. lapucelle Jul 2020 #78
Rowling has already been cancelled by most of us obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #36
*sigh* Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #40
There you go, being reasonable! Maeve Jul 2020 #56
A number of my heroes have disappointed me over the years Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #60
... CatLady78 Jul 2020 #195
Agreed Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #196
Exactly.nt CatLady78 Jul 2020 #197
Sociopathic and evil? That seems a bit ridiculous. tritsofme Jul 2020 #44
Agreed. Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #63
What we're seeing is the death of nuance. musicblind Jul 2020 #108
Yes! betsuni Jul 2020 #116
I have criticized Rowling Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #124
This message was self-deleted by its author CatLady78 Jul 2020 #193
she is sociopathic and evil obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #138
Right...how very silly. tritsofme Jul 2020 #173
See, the 'evil' part is the problem with your statement. musicblind Jul 2020 #107
A list of people and things Donald Trump tried to get canceled before he railed against 'cancel cult soothsayer Jul 2020 #38
*Some* people and entities Trump has tried to get canceled soothsayer Jul 2020 #42
I actually agree on Bill Maher JonLP24 Jul 2020 #45
I do not support any cancel culture janterry Jul 2020 #47
I think it is the other way around JonLP24 Jul 2020 #51
Beautifully put: Mike 03 Jul 2020 #54
This is not what those against cancel culture think janterry Jul 2020 #88
I Am Utterly Against RobinA Jul 2020 #149
I remember when the ACLU used to fight for all speech janterry Jul 2020 #86
Exactly. musicblind Jul 2020 #109
Hmmm... OneGrassRoot Jul 2020 #52
Things have gone too far when someone states an leftyladyfrommo Jul 2020 #55
In 1977 the American Nazi party planned a march leftyladyfrommo Jul 2020 #68
First coming to term with it... it's a symptom rather than a cause ck4829 Jul 2020 #76
Mobs don't like anyone who makes them feel stupid. leftyladyfrommo Jul 2020 #83
Rightwingers have been trying to silence me my whole life. I see no reason to copy their methods struggle4progress Jul 2020 #57
A list of those signing the letter.. jalan48 Jul 2020 #64
The blessed "published" might examine their motives. hunter Jul 2020 #73
Salman Rushdie, New York University jalan48 Jul 2020 #74
My attention is not limited to names. hunter Jul 2020 #77
LOL-I'm sure you have. jalan48 Jul 2020 #79
Salman Rushdie might ask my advice. hunter Jul 2020 #80
Boylan has already apologized for signing, LMAO. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #96
I am opposed to the cancel culture and will boycott anyone who disagrees with me! Doodley Jul 2020 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Jul 2020 #87
Some examples of what the letter might be talking about. Jim__ Jul 2020 #89
. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #92
. Jim__ Jul 2020 #105
What a disingenuous post. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #110
Talk about disingenuous. Have you even read the letter? Jim__ Jul 2020 #118
I have read the letter. It commits the common -- and disingenuous -- error of treating "all sides" WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #137
Can we have an end to cancel cancel culture? meadowlander Jul 2020 #91
+1 Owl Jul 2020 #100
They lost me with their claim of "the intolerant climate that has set in on all sides." VOX Jul 2020 #93
You are correct about the right. They aren't the same, but we can't become them. musicblind Jul 2020 #112
We have the right to protect ourselves. These scum want us dead. backscatter712 Jul 2020 #123
Tolerance is not a moral precept. It is a peace treaty. backscatter712 Jul 2020 #115
Sorry it has to fit into a single tweet Steelrolled Jul 2020 #97
Political correctness evolved into cancel culture because of social media. betsuni Jul 2020 #98
Those who complain about "Political Correctness" just want to say the n-word in "polite" company... Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #139
No. It was a term used by the Left first. betsuni Jul 2020 #140
No, I'm talking about current context, just like how this letter is just a transphobe... Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #142
"elitists" betsuni Jul 2020 #146
Generally people who never have to worry about juggling rent and groceries, who have access... Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #150
As if all intellectuals and smart people are rich. betsuni Jul 2020 #152
Uhm, do most of these people have to work 50+ hours a week to be able to make rent every month? Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #155
LOL! betsuni Jul 2020 #156
Do you have something of substance to contribute? n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #158
Um, it's not about me. betsuni Jul 2020 #159
Post removed Post removed Jul 2020 #161
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL "ELITIST" LOL betsuni Jul 2020 #162
Didn't Bill Maher already do this ? It's usually some random unknowns JI7 Jul 2020 #106
I *LOVE* Cancel Culture qwlauren35 Jul 2020 #111
People are trying to catch us up on our divisions. herding cats Jul 2020 #117
Cancel culture isn't about change or social justice. musicblind Jul 2020 #120
+1 cabot Jul 2020 #122
You can't change everyone's mind . It just turns into those who are victimized having to be the ones JI7 Jul 2020 #125
Excellent post. Music Man Jul 2020 #129
+1 betsuni Jul 2020 #130
Excellent post. Thank you. Owl Jul 2020 #134
There's that one deal about casting the first stone that comes to mind. gulliver Jul 2020 #128
Wow, Chomsky? That's going to burst some people's bubbles. BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #131
As you can see, the bus is already backing up over him. Behind the Aegis Jul 2020 #181
He's a transphobe. Dr. Strange Jul 2020 #185
Methinks thou doth protest too much Steinem and Chomsky Beringia Jul 2020 #141
Zephyr Teachout signed the letter. How does she fit in? N/T lapucelle Jul 2020 #144
She comes from a white elitist family, why wouldn't that be a good fit Beringia Jul 2020 #151
I had no idea she is from an elitist family. lapucelle Jul 2020 #154
First paragraph of Early life section of her Wiki page, Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #157
That doesn't make her family "elitist". lapucelle Jul 2020 #163
Just because she is a progressive and allies with Cortez, doesn't mean she has not Beringia Jul 2020 #160
Also I am grappling with this issue myself recently Beringia Jul 2020 #165
How is her family "elitist"? lapucelle Jul 2020 #166
I use the definition of someone who has professors as parents Beringia Jul 2020 #167
It isn't like it was decided upon by committee gollygee Jul 2020 #168
"Cancel culture?" WHY does every frickin thing have to be so Kashkakat v.2.0 Jul 2020 #172
Cancel culture is just a mob in internet form Sympthsical Jul 2020 #174
There's not much I disagree with in that letter... SKKY Jul 2020 #175
What's cancel culture? Polybius Jul 2020 #177
Severely depressing Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2020 #188
Salman Rushdie signed it treestar Jul 2020 #190
Good point. betsuni Jul 2020 #192
Nothing says "canceled" like a de facto contract on your life. N/T lapucelle Jul 2020 #194
cancel culture melman Jul 2020 #202
Cancel the cancellations gulliver Jul 2020 #207
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