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117. People are trying to catch us up on our divisions.

Tue Jul 7, 2020, 10:48 PM

Jul 2020

They want to exploit us and divide us again. As usual.

Personally, I'm not interested in being ripped apart from within. That's so 2016 to my jaundiced eye. I see where it landed me, and all of us back then. I do not feel like being played for a fool once again.

YMMV, but I'm in NO way playing this stupid circular firing squad game again.

Literally, these people are egos who need stroked. They're not our democracy we're fighting to maintain. They're not our hero's, they're a warped cult of personality trying to lead us.

Relax, take a deep breath, or 10, and fucking focus on what matters to you. Then vote for what YOU believe is right. We are the hero's we've been waiting for. We're here, we've got this.

Just don't be stupidity distracted again. Laser focus on what matters. If we can do that, we'll be fine.

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J.K. Rowling, B.Weiss & N. Chomsky Among Dozens Sign Open Letter Calling for End to Cancel Culture [View all] lapucelle Jul 2020 OP

Cancel Rowling soothsayer Jul 2020 #1

This - she's a bigot n/t FreeState Jul 2020 #27

What a stupid letter JonLP24 Jul 2020 #2

That seems to be the general consensus. N/T lapucelle Jul 2020 #3

And don't forget these (courtesy of Daniel dale) soothsayer Jul 2020 #4

If you can't see twitter, it's trump urging to: soothsayer Jul 2020 #6

+1 Nevilledog Jul 2020 #7

I find some of the names attached to that letter bewildering. lapucelle Jul 2020 #10

Me too. Mike 03 Jul 2020 #15

Yeah, that jumped out at me too. Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #17

His understanding of the alt-right and the rise of fascism hasn't really kept up with reality. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #21

Maybe He Thinks RobinA Jul 2020 #143

"Both sides" of what? WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #145

Right And Left RobinA Jul 2020 #176

"Wait until you hear about racism and sexism." fleur-de-lisa Jul 2020 #5

Exactly! mountain grammy Jul 2020 #114

Telling it like it is. oasis Jul 2020 #126

Do not even use the term Cancel Culture Sanity Claws Jul 2020 #8

"Cancel Culture" Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #18

Holding people responsible is right Sanity Claws Jul 2020 #23

Oh, I agree with you Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #34

You'd be able to run them down faster snort Jul 2020 #43

Hold on a minute... lame54 Jul 2020 #22

haha. You are so right. Sanity Claws Jul 2020 #25

"Cancel Culture" is a right-wing shibboleth. backscatter712 Jul 2020 #102

+100000 Celerity Jul 2020 #199

The only ones who cry about this are those who suck. JNelson6563 Jul 2020 #9

Imagine being sad when you have to hear the little people's objections to your views. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #11

I've always respected Chomsky janterry Jul 2020 #12

What does it mean to "value all speech"? WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #20

There is a difference between... lame54 Jul 2020 #26

+1 Nevilledog Jul 2020 #31

Cancel culture is practiced by those that are afraid janterry Jul 2020 #46

Cancel culture is simply a passive method designed to avoid the consequences of free speech LanternWaste Jul 2020 #49

I agree with you cabot Jul 2020 #53

Bullshit... lame54 Jul 2020 #59

I hate wind turbines. I'm a radical environmentalist and leftist. hunter Jul 2020 #70

Disagree strongly. Caliman73 Jul 2020 #71

Very well said. Doodley Jul 2020 #84

Yep. No need to pay bigots to spout their bigotry. Nt lostnfound Jul 2020 #104

So when Rowling spouts TERF nonsense, what should we do? Cuthbert Allgood Jul 2020 #39

We ShOuLd VaLuE It WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #50

Whatever you do gird your loins before daring to dissent on the one of her Twitter threads TubbersUK Jul 2020 #62

My money is mine - I tend to avoid buying things from people that piss me off. backscatter712 Jul 2020 #113

She Should Not Be Punished RobinA Jul 2020 #147

Why shouldn't transgender people mass respond? Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #153

She's not being punished for her speech. People are pushing back on a platform that allows such WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #164

Rowling's Disagreement RobinA Jul 2020 #179

"Sure, just like David Duke's disagreement with Black people is one way of looking at an issue, WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #180

Block her vile hate speech. Voltaire2 Jul 2020 #178

One imagines that if we value speech, we then realize the consequences of that speech. LanternWaste Jul 2020 #48

Well, except for the speech deemed "cancel culture" kcr Jul 2020 #103

Wow. This is really stupid. You are free to say things. People are free to not like what you say. Squinch Jul 2020 #13

Yes - such a pompous, inane letter IMO - read it twice & can't find any substance in it n/t TubbersUK Jul 2020 #19

Dummies JustAnotherGen Jul 2020 #14

Ummm, no... Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #16

As a person that has read her tweets/essay repeatedly FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2020 #58

She just likened transitioning to "conversion therapy" Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #61

If you watch the BBC Newsnight excerpt FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2020 #72

I recall her being defended by the cast Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #121

"She just likened transitioning to "conversion therapy"" Doodley Jul 2020 #85

I am aware of no reputable Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #119

What process are you talking about? Doodley Jul 2020 #127

of dosing 2 and 4 year olds with hormones. Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #170

No, I don't know of that process either, but the process of reinforcing that a Doodley Jul 2020 #182

Again, I have seen no credible evidence that Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #183

Are you kidding me? Doodley Jul 2020 #184

In the video of the Tavistock Centre FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2020 #132

Thank you for bringing it to my attention Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #169

One point though Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #171

Thanks for a well reasoned post. nt delisen Jul 2020 #66

You're welcome FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2020 #75

did jk rowling write this WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #69

Thank you romana Jul 2020 #81

This is a big oof. "TRAs?" Really? Sophia_Of_PlanetX Jul 2020 #90

My answers FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2020 #94

Re: Sophia_Of_PlanetX Jul 2020 #95

Fallon Fox, MtF trans, seriously injured Tamikka Brents and destroyed her career. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2020 #201

The Federalist is a Conservative, Pro-Trump Propaganda Site. Also, Responses Below... Sophia_Of_PlanetX Jul 2020 #204

Radfems DO NOT HATE transwomen. They have a right to exist. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2020 #205

Every TERF I've seen online or IRL absolutely hates trans women and wants them not to exist. Sophia_Of_PlanetX Jul 2020 #206

Thanks. Like you, at first, I was disappointed cabot Jul 2020 #99

Have you looked at the 'TransTrain' Documentary? janterry Jul 2020 #133

I haven't FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2020 #135

We knew a family in FL janterry Jul 2020 #136

Anybody who believes Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2020 #186

The tavistock therapists believe there is a push. janterry Jul 2020 #191

You aren't Trans Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2020 #187

I'm not trans, that's right FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2020 #189

10 years of therapy?! Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2020 #198

Buck himself said therapy took a while FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2020 #200

Therapy is always part of the process Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2020 #203

Her Opinions RobinA Jul 2020 #148

Sounds good to me n/t Devil Child Jul 2020 #24

Sounds good to me too. Owl Jul 2020 #101

WTF happened to Rowling??? NT Bleacher Creature Jul 2020 #28

She's been TERFing for years. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #29

She's upset because she's down to her last 14.3 million Twitter followers poor thing TubbersUK Jul 2020 #35

Her two major fan groups Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #37

Cancel the cancel culture? soothsayer Jul 2020 #30

"Cancel" is not censorship. hunter Jul 2020 #32

JK Rowling wrote some absolutely genius kids' books & oversaw their wonderful movies. ... Hekate Jul 2020 #33

Based on the recent backlash, Rowling's signature is most likely an exercise in self-service. lapucelle Jul 2020 #41

Which begs the question: what are they all reading into it, and what are we? Hekate Jul 2020 #65

Many of them are of an era that has a different concept of liberalism and progressivism than the WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #67

I don't think that is what is meant by illiberalism. lapucelle Jul 2020 #78

Rowling has already been cancelled by most of us obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #36

*sigh* Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #40

There you go, being reasonable! Maeve Jul 2020 #56

A number of my heroes have disappointed me over the years Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #60

... CatLady78 Jul 2020 #195

Agreed Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #196

Exactly.nt CatLady78 Jul 2020 #197

Sociopathic and evil? That seems a bit ridiculous. tritsofme Jul 2020 #44

Agreed. Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #63

What we're seeing is the death of nuance. musicblind Jul 2020 #108

Yes! betsuni Jul 2020 #116

I have criticized Rowling Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author CatLady78 Jul 2020 #193

she is sociopathic and evil obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #138

Right...how very silly. tritsofme Jul 2020 #173

See, the 'evil' part is the problem with your statement. musicblind Jul 2020 #107

A list of people and things Donald Trump tried to get canceled before he railed against 'cancel cult soothsayer Jul 2020 #38

*Some* people and entities Trump has tried to get canceled soothsayer Jul 2020 #42

I actually agree on Bill Maher JonLP24 Jul 2020 #45

I do not support any cancel culture janterry Jul 2020 #47

I think it is the other way around JonLP24 Jul 2020 #51

Beautifully put: Mike 03 Jul 2020 #54

This is not what those against cancel culture think janterry Jul 2020 #88

I Am Utterly Against RobinA Jul 2020 #149

I remember when the ACLU used to fight for all speech janterry Jul 2020 #86

Exactly. musicblind Jul 2020 #109

Hmmm... OneGrassRoot Jul 2020 #52

Things have gone too far when someone states an leftyladyfrommo Jul 2020 #55

In 1977 the American Nazi party planned a march leftyladyfrommo Jul 2020 #68

First coming to term with it... it's a symptom rather than a cause ck4829 Jul 2020 #76

Mobs don't like anyone who makes them feel stupid. leftyladyfrommo Jul 2020 #83

Rightwingers have been trying to silence me my whole life. I see no reason to copy their methods struggle4progress Jul 2020 #57

A list of those signing the letter.. jalan48 Jul 2020 #64

The blessed "published" might examine their motives. hunter Jul 2020 #73

Salman Rushdie, New York University jalan48 Jul 2020 #74

My attention is not limited to names. hunter Jul 2020 #77

LOL-I'm sure you have. jalan48 Jul 2020 #79

Salman Rushdie might ask my advice. hunter Jul 2020 #80

Boylan has already apologized for signing, LMAO. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #96

I am opposed to the cancel culture and will boycott anyone who disagrees with me! Doodley Jul 2020 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Jul 2020 #87

Some examples of what the letter might be talking about. Jim__ Jul 2020 #89

. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #92

. Jim__ Jul 2020 #105

What a disingenuous post. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #110

Talk about disingenuous. Have you even read the letter? Jim__ Jul 2020 #118

I have read the letter. It commits the common -- and disingenuous -- error of treating "all sides" WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #137

Can we have an end to cancel cancel culture? meadowlander Jul 2020 #91

+1 Owl Jul 2020 #100

They lost me with their claim of "the intolerant climate that has set in on all sides." VOX Jul 2020 #93

You are correct about the right. They aren't the same, but we can't become them. musicblind Jul 2020 #112

We have the right to protect ourselves. These scum want us dead. backscatter712 Jul 2020 #123

Tolerance is not a moral precept. It is a peace treaty. backscatter712 Jul 2020 #115

Sorry it has to fit into a single tweet Steelrolled Jul 2020 #97

Political correctness evolved into cancel culture because of social media. betsuni Jul 2020 #98

Those who complain about "Political Correctness" just want to say the n-word in "polite" company... Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #139

No. It was a term used by the Left first. betsuni Jul 2020 #140

No, I'm talking about current context, just like how this letter is just a transphobe... Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #142

"elitists" betsuni Jul 2020 #146

Generally people who never have to worry about juggling rent and groceries, who have access... Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #150

As if all intellectuals and smart people are rich. betsuni Jul 2020 #152

Uhm, do most of these people have to work 50+ hours a week to be able to make rent every month? Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #155

LOL! betsuni Jul 2020 #156

Do you have something of substance to contribute? n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #158

Um, it's not about me. betsuni Jul 2020 #159

Post removed Post removed Jul 2020 #161

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL "ELITIST" LOL betsuni Jul 2020 #162

Didn't Bill Maher already do this ? It's usually some random unknowns JI7 Jul 2020 #106

I *LOVE* Cancel Culture qwlauren35 Jul 2020 #111

People are trying to catch us up on our divisions. herding cats Jul 2020 #117

Cancel culture isn't about change or social justice. musicblind Jul 2020 #120

+1 cabot Jul 2020 #122

You can't change everyone's mind . It just turns into those who are victimized having to be the ones JI7 Jul 2020 #125

Excellent post. Music Man Jul 2020 #129

+1 betsuni Jul 2020 #130

Excellent post. Thank you. Owl Jul 2020 #134

There's that one deal about casting the first stone that comes to mind. gulliver Jul 2020 #128

Wow, Chomsky? That's going to burst some people's bubbles. BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #131

As you can see, the bus is already backing up over him. Behind the Aegis Jul 2020 #181

He's a transphobe. Dr. Strange Jul 2020 #185

Methinks thou doth protest too much Steinem and Chomsky Beringia Jul 2020 #141

Zephyr Teachout signed the letter. How does she fit in? N/T lapucelle Jul 2020 #144

She comes from a white elitist family, why wouldn't that be a good fit Beringia Jul 2020 #151

I had no idea she is from an elitist family. lapucelle Jul 2020 #154

First paragraph of Early life section of her Wiki page, Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #157

That doesn't make her family "elitist". lapucelle Jul 2020 #163

Just because she is a progressive and allies with Cortez, doesn't mean she has not Beringia Jul 2020 #160

Also I am grappling with this issue myself recently Beringia Jul 2020 #165

How is her family "elitist"? lapucelle Jul 2020 #166

I use the definition of someone who has professors as parents Beringia Jul 2020 #167

It isn't like it was decided upon by committee gollygee Jul 2020 #168

"Cancel culture?" WHY does every frickin thing have to be so Kashkakat v.2.0 Jul 2020 #172

Cancel culture is just a mob in internet form Sympthsical Jul 2020 #174

There's not much I disagree with in that letter... SKKY Jul 2020 #175

What's cancel culture? Polybius Jul 2020 #177

Severely depressing Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2020 #188

Salman Rushdie signed it treestar Jul 2020 #190

Good point. betsuni Jul 2020 #192

Nothing says "canceled" like a de facto contract on your life. N/T lapucelle Jul 2020 #194

cancel culture melman Jul 2020 #202

Cancel the cancellations gulliver Jul 2020 #207