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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
47. MSNBC is helping the Republicans and those they serve retain
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 11:21 AM
Jul 2020

as much power as possible. Their middlin' LW audience is where they're focused on peeling and shaving. After all, it worked well in 2015-16. They were so pleased with Chuck Todd's deceiving and demoralizing Democrats in 2016 that in 2020 you almost can't turn on MSNBC without running into him.

So, knowing that all along of course, and since you're apparently paying attention, surely you've picked up on what Reid's been pushing on the Saturday show they chose her for?

The RW powers are desperate to break, or at least splinter, the great alliance of Americans gathered against them behind the Democratic banner.

So, imo, if you want to attack her, you'd do best to scrutinize her her new show to see what she's been put into that slot to push each evening, not into the distant past that she's formally denied, renounced and denounced. And I wouldn't wonder at that at all.

It's only what we should all be doing. Who knows? Maybe it'll show that the new management has somewhat different goals this election in spite of their plugging Todd in wherever and whenever they can and the continuation of 2016 behaviors in other MSM.

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Joy Reid is one of MSNBC's stars.....People change.. ProudMNDemocrat Jul 2020 #1
"People change." Tipperary Jul 2020 #2
Like Biden? tia uponit7771 Jul 2020 #9
Not sure I get your point. Tipperary Jul 2020 #12
Biden has changed for the better actively and openly on a number of issues. No one is perfect its uponit7771 Jul 2020 #13
Biden was never a homophobe. Mosby Jul 2020 #22
Neither was Reid and Biden wasn't progressive on a number of issues. I see double standard here uponit7771 Jul 2020 #23
she literally called gay men child molesters dsc Jul 2020 #25
And she never took responsibility. Claimed hacking and never followed up. Sympthsical Jul 2020 #27
true that dsc Jul 2020 #30
This. nt Tipperary Jul 2020 #82
I think you should stop using this OP to bash Biden...clearly that is what you are doing. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #147
... but silence on the overt double standard right? 🙄🙄🙄 uponit7771 Jul 2020 #154
It isn't a double standard dsc Jul 2020 #156
... and the virus is controlled too hunh? Look, gas lighting doesn't work here and its rude. Holding uponit7771 Jul 2020 #174
No it isn't it is treating different situations differently dsc Jul 2020 #180
Joe Biden was fine on civil rights which is why he won the primary; he had AA support. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #169
No he was not fine on civil rights during the 80s, Biden like Reid changed for the better and has uponit7771 Jul 2020 #173
Joe Biden was fine in the 80's. So I say you are wrong. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #179
The ACLUs 60% rating on him during that period says you're wrong. Biden's civil rights record NOW .. uponit7771 Jul 2020 #182
actually the ACLU is a civil liberties organization not a civil rights one dsc Jul 2020 #190
Nice try. but I have seen his rating. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #201
Joy Reid is no Joe Biden. cwydro Jul 2020 #49
I used to watch her on the weekends PatSeg Jul 2020 #52
Agree, smart and interesting but a poor interviewer, mostly badgering people to grantcart Jul 2020 #93
There was an African American minister PatSeg Jul 2020 #107
Same here. I stopped watching on Saturday mornings, and dmr Jul 2020 #112
Lately I've been enjoying Brian Williams PatSeg Jul 2020 #124
No "silly giddiness" from Nicole Wallace? RhodeIslandOne Jul 2020 #148
This OP is means for some to bash our nominee with impunity. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #170
Biden has not come anywhere near saying the hurtful things Joy has about gays. Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 #77
"You Ain't Black" wellst0nev0ter Jul 2020 #205
Biden shouldn't apologize for any of those quotes. They're not hateful. Joy's have been. Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 #206
Post removed Post removed Jul 2020 #208
Someone like me? What's that supposed to mean? Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 #209
She claimed she didn't write the blog posts. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #3
Yeah, supposedly she was having the FBI look into the hacks? Tipperary Jul 2020 #8
If she had lied to the FBI, they would have likely charged her StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #18
Do we actually know if she contact the FBI and what she told them? aikoaiko Jul 2020 #26
Her lawyer said she reported it to the FBI and they opened an investigation StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #28
If she was hacked, and the FBI investigated and found out, she'd shout it from the rooftops Sympthsical Jul 2020 #35
You don't know that StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #40
She called gay men pedophiles Sympthsical Jul 2020 #43
+1, that and look at her actions on her shows that show she's change more than just words uponit7771 Jul 2020 #103
You do not believe lawyers lie? Tipperary Jul 2020 #58
I don't have any reason to believe this lawyer lied. And neither do you StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #84
There's every reason to believe he lied melman Jul 2020 #89
Hey, there! StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #92
bwahahahahaha!!!! George II Jul 2020 #100
Ha! NurseJackie Jul 2020 #127
Ah melman Jul 2020 #128
If "There's every reason to believe he lied", why not give us just one of those "every" reasons? George II Jul 2020 #98
Some wont, when asked to back up assertions it comes down to how one feels about her few really uponit7771 Jul 2020 #175
I have nothing against her. Tipperary Jul 2020 #133
No. Lying to the FBI is only a crime if you are lying on a material point to an underlying grantcart Jul 2020 #95
That's not true StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #104
Materially false means material to a federal crime grantcart Jul 2020 #203
No, it doesn't StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #210
what evidence do you have of her having evolved dsc Jul 2020 #7
Joy Reid reminds of how Democrats reacted to LGBT rights until Obama evolved on the issue JonLP24 Jul 2020 #4
+1, people change and work for the greater good and that's a good thing uponit7771 Jul 2020 #6
really please find me some elected Democrats who served in the 1990's who called gay men child dsc Jul 2020 #10
But President Obama never lied about his original stance. Tipperary Jul 2020 #11
actually he might have lied but not the way Joy did dsc Jul 2020 #14
I remember some Democrats blaming us for Kerry's loss Sympthsical Jul 2020 #29
I agree JonLP24 Jul 2020 #46
Boy, is that not true for many of us. I haven't changed Hortensis Jul 2020 #91
But you can vote for Biden? Biden's ... past ... record on some civil rights issues aren't steller uponit7771 Jul 2020 #5
If she were the Democratic nominee, I would vote for her. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #21
But in your past posts you seem to have forgiven Tulsi Gabbards LGBT hate speech womanofthehills Jul 2020 #51
Yes, Gabbard has addressed her history much better bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #56
She never proved she changed. Changed people take responsibility and seek forgiveness. Sympthsical Jul 2020 #34
Biden was always for civil rights so please stop it. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #145
People evolve... HipChick Jul 2020 #15
She never retracted the lies. That obliterated her integrity. Celerity Jul 2020 #24
Thank you. Tipperary Jul 2020 #132
Nobody is forcing anybody to watch anything. LisaL Jul 2020 #16
She said the anti-gay people are correct about gay men being pedophiles bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #20
A generation ago, the black community was pretty anti-gay in the aggregate... Wounded Bear Jul 2020 #17
I'm not sure everyone evolves. LakeArenal Jul 2020 #19
Who did she like? She slagged Biden, Bernie (which brought her much love from certain corners here), Celerity Jul 2020 #31
She was a big Warren supporter. She slagged Harris off, as well. octoberlib Jul 2020 #113
Ahh, oki, I had forgotten that, thanks! Celerity Jul 2020 #140
STOP demtenjeep Jul 2020 #32
When someone says that I'm a pedophile, I will address that. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #33
I would be more concerned with Joe Rogan who recently said that on the radio and Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #38
You mean, you would be unable to find fault with both? bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #59
One happened deep in the past...one never says those things now...(Joy). And Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #121
So, I really do have to choose between them? I really do have to bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #122
What's specifically wrong with Rogan? Calista241 Jul 2020 #194
"Child molestation turns people gay" is one problem bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #196
I'm no longer a fan, BUT what brought this up now? Hortensis Jul 2020 #36
She was just moved to a permanent 7:00 slot on MSNBC. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #37
Than don't watch her... Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #39
Well said. OnDoutside Jul 2020 #45
Thank you. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #48
Honest question dsc Jul 2020 #55
It was 17 years ago...maybe he or (Reid) can not remember what they posted then. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #120
Thank you for permission not to watch her. I shall not. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #60
Not to me you won't. I seriously don't care. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #117
Oh, you wonder what my purpose is. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #119
What is the point? I believe she has evolved...and believe me I have more important Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #171
I expressed my personal opinion. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #172
I did not say you needed to apologize nor did I ascribe 'cryptic motivation'. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #181
It is unclear to me why you requested my personal motive bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #188
Oh, let it go, was curious what motivated you...nothing else. Now I see no purpose in Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #199
As I say, the ambiguity is open to multiple interpretations. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #200
That is what it was...I really don't care enough about this to have Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #202
I wish that she had handled this all better. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #204
I don't see what you think you can accomplish...more pressing issues for me. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #41
Oh, this was not a strategic post and I was not hoping to influence politics bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #54
MSNBC is helping the Republicans and those they serve retain Hortensis Jul 2020 #47
Erin is pretty great on CNN and AC 360 is fantabulous demtenjeep Jul 2020 #61
So calling attention to her anti-gay smears and slurs is problematic? bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #66
Are you sure Joy has the 8:00 p.m. slot? That would be Chris Hayes' time. Totally Tunsie Jul 2020 #90
Thank you. I will correct the time on my post. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #106
Joy Reid is not an anti-gay activist. The comments she made were about 15 years ago and.... George II Jul 2020 #134
People change but not when they are still in denial. BlueLucy Jul 2020 #42
This is the old Northam shit again. People make mistakes, and learn from them. She's pretty damn OnDoutside Jul 2020 #44
great program. Joy Reid is a good person. bigtree Jul 2020 #50
No she hasn't and that is a huge part of the problem dsc Jul 2020 #57
Where's the proof she wrote them vs her word, Why is Biden believed but Reid isn't? Again, these uponit7771 Jul 2020 #108
the post appeared on DU from her blog at the time of it having been posted dsc Jul 2020 #126
Bloomberg used black people to score political points then try to act like he didn't know uponit7771 Jul 2020 #142
which makes the fact she treated him better than Buttigieg all the worse dsc Jul 2020 #144
To those who say she has "evolved" BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #53
I'm not sure about Never Trumpers JonLP24 Jul 2020 #63
You mean to tell me right wing shitbags don't just magically change? melman Jul 2020 #71
+1 JonLP24 Jul 2020 #72
Seems to me the people giving her a pass melman Jul 2020 #73
True to form. BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #75
Yeah melman Jul 2020 #76
This is a thread about Joy Reid. You calling her a racist? A right wing operative? George II Jul 2020 #114
Of course if they've changed their illogical conservatives positions. uponit7771 Jul 2020 #105
anyone who makes any kind of progress is a win treestar Jul 2020 #167
I don't think Joy Reid is a "good person" but I have noticed unitedwethrive Jul 2020 #62
I just wish it had all been handled better. The denial... bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #65
Good points...recent history has shown us that denial is more powerful than apologies and asking for unitedwethrive Jul 2020 #94
Let's round up that firing squad, and put it in a circle....FIRE, ready, aim. Captain Stern Jul 2020 #64
Can't watch her? Then don't. winstars Jul 2020 #67
I will not watch it, and I will call attention to her anti-gay history bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #68
No worries. winstars Jul 2020 #69
I have never watched her. ismnotwasm Jul 2020 #70
Yes, you want to have a conversation about Gabbard? bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #74
What are you talking about? ismnotwasm Jul 2020 #85
I was talking about Gabbard and your statement about my attitude toward her bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #99
Cool ismnotwasm Jul 2020 #123
So you do want to talk about Gabbard bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #125
Nothing to discuss buddy. ismnotwasm Jul 2020 #143
This message was self-deleted by its author bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #150
I wrote that and I still stand by it. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #158
"Excusing one Person for homophobia and not the other is disingenuous" melman Jul 2020 #146
Joy Reid IS not homophobic. She may have made some stupid homophobic comments.... George II Jul 2020 #155
She didn't apologize. Straight people need to stop claiming this. Sympthsical Jul 2020 #162
She apologized for the posts from 2005-2006. She didn't apologize for those recent posts.... George II Jul 2020 #185
She claimed she had been hacked by Russians on the wayback machine dsc Jul 2020 #191
Ahhhh----now I get it. Thanks. Kingofalldems Jul 2020 #86
That explains a lot StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #88
Appreciate the context. Thanks. n/t moonscape Jul 2020 #135
You don't have cable, maxsolomon Jul 2020 #78
Yes, the subject of me watching her is somewhat minor. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #80
People change, so I don't hold that against her. I don't watch because she monopolizes Vinca Jul 2020 #79
How has she changed? FreeState Jul 2020 #83
I have no idea, but I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Vinca Jul 2020 #102
Television is a rotten medium for news and opinion. It's little better than Facebook. hunter Jul 2020 #81
Another interesting thread. Kingofalldems Jul 2020 #87
I think people don't understand how things have drastically changed since the 00s... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2020 #96
The last time Tina Fey hosted SNL bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #101
So cancel Tina Fey wellst0nev0ter Jul 2020 #207
Cancel Tina Fey? That doesn't seem like an authentic suggestion bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #214
Really? They haven't changed that much on this forum. Ever read an OP on Lindsay Graham? octoberlib Jul 2020 #110
There is a lot in that post dsc Jul 2020 #129
Agree - gen-x and y culture had homophobic elements radius777 Jul 2020 #164
Homophobia in the past isn't the problem. Lying in the present *is* Azathoth Jul 2020 #97
So much this. As a qeer female, I can forgive the homophobia if she owned Celerity Jul 2020 #141
Lying in this case is smart, just like Bill Clinton did. radius777 Jul 2020 #217
I've had issues with Joy Reid from time to time, but the last several years she's been.... George II Jul 2020 #109
The other night she was talking about how people don't have to have experience in government octoberlib Jul 2020 #111
wow that is bad dsc Jul 2020 #137
This eugenics post was particularly odious: demmiblue Jul 2020 #115
My sense is that people think she just had some mild opposition bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #116
I am OK with people who think she has changed and support her... demmiblue Jul 2020 #118
People can be ignorant and then change thier view KWR65 Jul 2020 #130
Yes, people can change. They can also lie. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #131
So can you point to where she has changed her views? FreeState Jul 2020 #136
I won't watch her show. nt Autumn Jul 2020 #138
Why are we even talking about this? FakeNoose Jul 2020 #139
We are talking about this because bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #151
It has already been discussed on DU ad nauseum FakeNoose Jul 2020 #152
I get that you don't care, but that is not a valid reason why bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #153
The purity thing treestar Jul 2020 #166
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2020 #176
"they" don't want people to evolve bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #198
I trust Rachel Maddow's opinion ecstatic Jul 2020 #149
alleged posts? dsc Jul 2020 #157
The 'homophobe' thing is a smokescreen for white fear of an outspoken black woman. radius777 Jul 2020 #159
she's homophobic, no excuse Demonaut Jul 2020 #161
This is false, she ... WAS ... homophobic there's no excuse to hold her to that now uponit7771 Jul 2020 #178
has she apologized?, if she has show me where, a link Demonaut Jul 2020 #184
No link needed. She's been a staunch advocate for LGBTQ rights for years now, radius777 Jul 2020 #216
no, a link is needed and you know why Demonaut Jul 2020 #219
I am really tired of hearing this bullshit dsc Jul 2020 #163
Fun to watch privilege in action, right? Behind the Aegis Jul 2020 #168
Are you really saying gay people are being racist for having a problem with her?! Sympthsical Jul 2020 #165
Wow... definition of "black privilege" here. Fix The Stupid Jul 2020 #186
She's a proven liar and never took ownership of her actions madville Jul 2020 #192
"People change" show where she has please FreeState Jul 2020 #213
I agree, she has not apologized, she was just astonished on her words Demonaut Jul 2020 #160
I love Joy. If you don't like her, don't watch. Quite simple. LexVegas Jul 2020 #177
So if we found out that Chris Hayes posted in 2003 dsc Jul 2020 #183
I don't like or watch Chris Hayes, so I probably wouldn't care either way. nt LexVegas Jul 2020 #187
And the moral culpability of people who sweep this under the rug? bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #189
Only if straight people let you dsc Jul 2020 #193
Have at it. LexVegas Jul 2020 #195
It's so wonderful to see you waving at me bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #197
This whole thread FreeState Jul 2020 #211
I have to assume people didn't know about this in detail bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #212
Yep FreeState Jul 2020 #215
White gays still benefit from white privilege, let's not forget that. radius777 Jul 2020 #218
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