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77. Biden has not come anywhere near saying the hurtful things Joy has about gays.

Thu Jul 9, 2020, 12:54 PM

Jul 2020

Biden has changed. He also acknowledged that change. Joy said some really awful things about gays just over a decade ago. Biden was an advocate and ally by that point.

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Joy Reid's history is so problematic. I can't watch her [View all] bluedye33139 Jul 2020 OP

Joy Reid is one of MSNBC's stars.....People change.. ProudMNDemocrat Jul 2020 #1

"People change." Tipperary Jul 2020 #2

Like Biden? tia uponit7771 Jul 2020 #9

Not sure I get your point. Tipperary Jul 2020 #12

Biden has changed for the better actively and openly on a number of issues. No one is perfect its uponit7771 Jul 2020 #13

Biden was never a homophobe. Mosby Jul 2020 #22

Neither was Reid and Biden wasn't progressive on a number of issues. I see double standard here uponit7771 Jul 2020 #23

she literally called gay men child molesters dsc Jul 2020 #25

And she never took responsibility. Claimed hacking and never followed up. Sympthsical Jul 2020 #27

true that dsc Jul 2020 #30

This. nt Tipperary Jul 2020 #82

I think you should stop using this OP to bash Biden...clearly that is what you are doing. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #147

... but silence on the overt double standard right? 🙄🙄🙄 uponit7771 Jul 2020 #154

It isn't a double standard dsc Jul 2020 #156

... and the virus is controlled too hunh? Look, gas lighting doesn't work here and its rude. Holding uponit7771 Jul 2020 #174

No it isn't it is treating different situations differently dsc Jul 2020 #180

Joe Biden was fine on civil rights which is why he won the primary; he had AA support. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #169

No he was not fine on civil rights during the 80s, Biden like Reid changed for the better and has uponit7771 Jul 2020 #173

Joe Biden was fine in the 80's. So I say you are wrong. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #179

The ACLUs 60% rating on him during that period says you're wrong. Biden's civil rights record NOW .. uponit7771 Jul 2020 #182

actually the ACLU is a civil liberties organization not a civil rights one dsc Jul 2020 #190

Nice try. but I have seen his rating. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #201

Joy Reid is no Joe Biden. cwydro Jul 2020 #49

I used to watch her on the weekends PatSeg Jul 2020 #52

Agree, smart and interesting but a poor interviewer, mostly badgering people to grantcart Jul 2020 #93

There was an African American minister PatSeg Jul 2020 #107

Same here. I stopped watching on Saturday mornings, and dmr Jul 2020 #112

Lately I've been enjoying Brian Williams PatSeg Jul 2020 #124

No "silly giddiness" from Nicole Wallace? RhodeIslandOne Jul 2020 #148

This OP is means for some to bash our nominee with impunity. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #170

Biden has not come anywhere near saying the hurtful things Joy has about gays. Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 #77

"You Ain't Black" wellst0nev0ter Jul 2020 #205

Biden shouldn't apologize for any of those quotes. They're not hateful. Joy's have been. Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 #206

Post removed Post removed Jul 2020 #208

Someone like me? What's that supposed to mean? Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 #209

She claimed she didn't write the blog posts. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #3

Yeah, supposedly she was having the FBI look into the hacks? Tipperary Jul 2020 #8

If she had lied to the FBI, they would have likely charged her StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #18

Do we actually know if she contact the FBI and what she told them? aikoaiko Jul 2020 #26

Her lawyer said she reported it to the FBI and they opened an investigation StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #28

If she was hacked, and the FBI investigated and found out, she'd shout it from the rooftops Sympthsical Jul 2020 #35

You don't know that StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #40

She called gay men pedophiles Sympthsical Jul 2020 #43

+1, that and look at her actions on her shows that show she's change more than just words uponit7771 Jul 2020 #103

You do not believe lawyers lie? Tipperary Jul 2020 #58

I don't have any reason to believe this lawyer lied. And neither do you StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #84

There's every reason to believe he lied melman Jul 2020 #89

Hey, there! StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #92

bwahahahahaha!!!! George II Jul 2020 #100

Ha! NurseJackie Jul 2020 #127

Ah melman Jul 2020 #128

If "There's every reason to believe he lied", why not give us just one of those "every" reasons? George II Jul 2020 #98

Some wont, when asked to back up assertions it comes down to how one feels about her few really uponit7771 Jul 2020 #175

I have nothing against her. Tipperary Jul 2020 #133

No. Lying to the FBI is only a crime if you are lying on a material point to an underlying grantcart Jul 2020 #95

That's not true StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #104

Materially false means material to a federal crime grantcart Jul 2020 #203

No, it doesn't StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #210

what evidence do you have of her having evolved dsc Jul 2020 #7

Joy Reid reminds of how Democrats reacted to LGBT rights until Obama evolved on the issue JonLP24 Jul 2020 #4

+1, people change and work for the greater good and that's a good thing uponit7771 Jul 2020 #6

really please find me some elected Democrats who served in the 1990's who called gay men child dsc Jul 2020 #10

But President Obama never lied about his original stance. Tipperary Jul 2020 #11

actually he might have lied but not the way Joy did dsc Jul 2020 #14

I remember some Democrats blaming us for Kerry's loss Sympthsical Jul 2020 #29

I agree JonLP24 Jul 2020 #46

Boy, is that not true for many of us. I haven't changed Hortensis Jul 2020 #91

But you can vote for Biden? Biden's ... past ... record on some civil rights issues aren't steller uponit7771 Jul 2020 #5

If she were the Democratic nominee, I would vote for her. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #21

But in your past posts you seem to have forgiven Tulsi Gabbards LGBT hate speech womanofthehills Jul 2020 #51

Yes, Gabbard has addressed her history much better bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #56

She never proved she changed. Changed people take responsibility and seek forgiveness. Sympthsical Jul 2020 #34

Biden was always for civil rights so please stop it. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #145

People evolve... HipChick Jul 2020 #15

She never retracted the lies. That obliterated her integrity. Celerity Jul 2020 #24

Thank you. Tipperary Jul 2020 #132

Nobody is forcing anybody to watch anything. LisaL Jul 2020 #16

She said the anti-gay people are correct about gay men being pedophiles bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #20

A generation ago, the black community was pretty anti-gay in the aggregate... Wounded Bear Jul 2020 #17

I'm not sure everyone evolves. LakeArenal Jul 2020 #19

Who did she like? She slagged Biden, Bernie (which brought her much love from certain corners here), Celerity Jul 2020 #31

She was a big Warren supporter. She slagged Harris off, as well. octoberlib Jul 2020 #113

Ahh, oki, I had forgotten that, thanks! Celerity Jul 2020 #140

STOP demtenjeep Jul 2020 #32

When someone says that I'm a pedophile, I will address that. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #33

I would be more concerned with Joe Rogan who recently said that on the radio and Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #38

You mean, you would be unable to find fault with both? bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #59

One happened deep in the past...one never says those things now...(Joy). And Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #121

So, I really do have to choose between them? I really do have to bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #122

What's specifically wrong with Rogan? Calista241 Jul 2020 #194

"Child molestation turns people gay" is one problem bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #196

I'm no longer a fan, BUT what brought this up now? Hortensis Jul 2020 #36

She was just moved to a permanent 7:00 slot on MSNBC. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #37

Than don't watch her... Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #39

Well said. OnDoutside Jul 2020 #45

Thank you. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #48

Honest question dsc Jul 2020 #55

It was 17 years ago...maybe he or (Reid) can not remember what they posted then. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #120

Thank you for permission not to watch her. I shall not. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #60

Not to me you won't. I seriously don't care. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #117

Oh, you wonder what my purpose is. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #119

What is the point? I believe she has evolved...and believe me I have more important Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #171

I expressed my personal opinion. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #172

I did not say you needed to apologize nor did I ascribe 'cryptic motivation'. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #181

It is unclear to me why you requested my personal motive bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #188

Oh, let it go, was curious what motivated you...nothing else. Now I see no purpose in Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #199

As I say, the ambiguity is open to multiple interpretations. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #200

That is what it was...I really don't care enough about this to have Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #202

I wish that she had handled this all better. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #204

I don't see what you think you can accomplish...more pressing issues for me. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #41

Oh, this was not a strategic post and I was not hoping to influence politics bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #54

MSNBC is helping the Republicans and those they serve retain Hortensis Jul 2020 #47

Erin is pretty great on CNN and AC 360 is fantabulous demtenjeep Jul 2020 #61

So calling attention to her anti-gay smears and slurs is problematic? bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #66

Are you sure Joy has the 8:00 p.m. slot? That would be Chris Hayes' time. Totally Tunsie Jul 2020 #90

Thank you. I will correct the time on my post. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #106

Joy Reid is not an anti-gay activist. The comments she made were about 15 years ago and.... George II Jul 2020 #134

People change but not when they are still in denial. BlueLucy Jul 2020 #42

This is the old Northam shit again. People make mistakes, and learn from them. She's pretty damn OnDoutside Jul 2020 #44

great program. Joy Reid is a good person. bigtree Jul 2020 #50

No she hasn't and that is a huge part of the problem dsc Jul 2020 #57

Where's the proof she wrote them vs her word, Why is Biden believed but Reid isn't? Again, these uponit7771 Jul 2020 #108

the post appeared on DU from her blog at the time of it having been posted dsc Jul 2020 #126

Bloomberg used black people to score political points then try to act like he didn't know uponit7771 Jul 2020 #142

which makes the fact she treated him better than Buttigieg all the worse dsc Jul 2020 #144

To those who say she has "evolved" BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #53

I'm not sure about Never Trumpers JonLP24 Jul 2020 #63

You mean to tell me right wing shitbags don't just magically change? melman Jul 2020 #71

+1 JonLP24 Jul 2020 #72

Seems to me the people giving her a pass melman Jul 2020 #73

True to form. BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #75

Yeah melman Jul 2020 #76

This is a thread about Joy Reid. You calling her a racist? A right wing operative? George II Jul 2020 #114

Of course if they've changed their illogical conservatives positions. uponit7771 Jul 2020 #105

anyone who makes any kind of progress is a win treestar Jul 2020 #167

I don't think Joy Reid is a "good person" but I have noticed unitedwethrive Jul 2020 #62

I just wish it had all been handled better. The denial... bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #65

Good points...recent history has shown us that denial is more powerful than apologies and asking for unitedwethrive Jul 2020 #94

Let's round up that firing squad, and put it in a circle....FIRE, ready, aim. Captain Stern Jul 2020 #64

Can't watch her? Then don't. winstars Jul 2020 #67

I will not watch it, and I will call attention to her anti-gay history bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #68

No worries. winstars Jul 2020 #69

I have never watched her. ismnotwasm Jul 2020 #70

Yes, you want to have a conversation about Gabbard? bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #74

What are you talking about? ismnotwasm Jul 2020 #85

I was talking about Gabbard and your statement about my attitude toward her bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #99

Cool ismnotwasm Jul 2020 #123

So you do want to talk about Gabbard bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #125

Nothing to discuss buddy. ismnotwasm Jul 2020 #143

This message was self-deleted by its author bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #150

I wrote that and I still stand by it. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #158

"Excusing one Person for homophobia and not the other is disingenuous" melman Jul 2020 #146

Joy Reid IS not homophobic. She may have made some stupid homophobic comments.... George II Jul 2020 #155

She didn't apologize. Straight people need to stop claiming this. Sympthsical Jul 2020 #162

She apologized for the posts from 2005-2006. She didn't apologize for those recent posts.... George II Jul 2020 #185

She claimed she had been hacked by Russians on the wayback machine dsc Jul 2020 #191

Ahhhh----now I get it. Thanks. Kingofalldems Jul 2020 #86

That explains a lot StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #88

Appreciate the context. Thanks. n/t moonscape Jul 2020 #135

You don't have cable, maxsolomon Jul 2020 #78

Yes, the subject of me watching her is somewhat minor. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #80

People change, so I don't hold that against her. I don't watch because she monopolizes Vinca Jul 2020 #79

How has she changed? FreeState Jul 2020 #83

I have no idea, but I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Vinca Jul 2020 #102

Television is a rotten medium for news and opinion. It's little better than Facebook. hunter Jul 2020 #81

Another interesting thread. Kingofalldems Jul 2020 #87

I think people don't understand how things have drastically changed since the 00s... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2020 #96

The last time Tina Fey hosted SNL bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #101

So cancel Tina Fey wellst0nev0ter Jul 2020 #207

Cancel Tina Fey? That doesn't seem like an authentic suggestion bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #214

Really? They haven't changed that much on this forum. Ever read an OP on Lindsay Graham? octoberlib Jul 2020 #110

There is a lot in that post dsc Jul 2020 #129

Agree - gen-x and y culture had homophobic elements radius777 Jul 2020 #164

Homophobia in the past isn't the problem. Lying in the present *is* Azathoth Jul 2020 #97

So much this. As a qeer female, I can forgive the homophobia if she owned Celerity Jul 2020 #141

Lying in this case is smart, just like Bill Clinton did. radius777 Jul 2020 #217

I've had issues with Joy Reid from time to time, but the last several years she's been.... George II Jul 2020 #109

The other night she was talking about how people don't have to have experience in government octoberlib Jul 2020 #111

wow that is bad dsc Jul 2020 #137

This eugenics post was particularly odious: demmiblue Jul 2020 #115

My sense is that people think she just had some mild opposition bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #116

I am OK with people who think she has changed and support her... demmiblue Jul 2020 #118

People can be ignorant and then change thier view KWR65 Jul 2020 #130

Yes, people can change. They can also lie. bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #131

So can you point to where she has changed her views? FreeState Jul 2020 #136

I won't watch her show. nt Autumn Jul 2020 #138

Why are we even talking about this? FakeNoose Jul 2020 #139

We are talking about this because bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #151

It has already been discussed on DU ad nauseum FakeNoose Jul 2020 #152

I get that you don't care, but that is not a valid reason why bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #153

The purity thing treestar Jul 2020 #166

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2020 #176

"they" don't want people to evolve bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #198

I trust Rachel Maddow's opinion ecstatic Jul 2020 #149

alleged posts? dsc Jul 2020 #157

The 'homophobe' thing is a smokescreen for white fear of an outspoken black woman. radius777 Jul 2020 #159

she's homophobic, no excuse Demonaut Jul 2020 #161

This is false, she ... WAS ... homophobic there's no excuse to hold her to that now uponit7771 Jul 2020 #178

has she apologized?, if she has show me where, a link Demonaut Jul 2020 #184

No link needed. She's been a staunch advocate for LGBTQ rights for years now, radius777 Jul 2020 #216

no, a link is needed and you know why Demonaut Jul 2020 #219

I am really tired of hearing this bullshit dsc Jul 2020 #163

Fun to watch privilege in action, right? Behind the Aegis Jul 2020 #168

Are you really saying gay people are being racist for having a problem with her?! Sympthsical Jul 2020 #165

Wow... definition of "black privilege" here. Fix The Stupid Jul 2020 #186

She's a proven liar and never took ownership of her actions madville Jul 2020 #192

"People change" show where she has please FreeState Jul 2020 #213

I agree, she has not apologized, she was just astonished on her words Demonaut Jul 2020 #160

I love Joy. If you don't like her, don't watch. Quite simple. LexVegas Jul 2020 #177

So if we found out that Chris Hayes posted in 2003 dsc Jul 2020 #183

I don't like or watch Chris Hayes, so I probably wouldn't care either way. nt LexVegas Jul 2020 #187

And the moral culpability of people who sweep this under the rug? bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #189

Only if straight people let you dsc Jul 2020 #193

Have at it. LexVegas Jul 2020 #195

It's so wonderful to see you waving at me bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #197

This whole thread FreeState Jul 2020 #211

I have to assume people didn't know about this in detail bluedye33139 Jul 2020 #212

Yep FreeState Jul 2020 #215

White gays still benefit from white privilege, let's not forget that. radius777 Jul 2020 #218