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In reply to the discussion: J.K. Rowling, B.Weiss & N. Chomsky Among Dozens Sign Open Letter Calling for End to Cancel Culture [View all]Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)205. Radfems DO NOT HATE transwomen. They have a right to exist.
I have a problem with the ones who tell women how they should act, how they should look, and take away the label "women" from the XX female (AFAB--assigned female at birth).
Nobody I know is trying to deny trans women medical treatment, IF THEY ARE AN ADULT. I don't think children under 18 should be given hormones for sex change when this will make them sterile and cause medical problems.
#1, #3--Softball does not measure specific time, distance or speed, unlike track and field. A transgender high school girl in Connecticut, Terry Miller, has shattered the state track records for girls, prompting two girls to sue. A quote from one of them:
Its very frustrating and heartbreaking when us girls are at the start of the race and we already know that these athletes are going to come out and win no matter how hard you try. They took away the spots of deserving girls, athletes me being included.
So said Selina Soule, a junior from Bloomfield High School who missed qualifying for the 55-meter in the New England regionals by two spots. Two spots, she said, that were taken by biological boys, according to an article published on Intellectual Takeout:
Had the boys who identify as girls not been allowed to compete, Selina would have placed sixth, qualifying to run the 55 in front of college coaches at the New England regionals.
Instead, she placed eighth, watching the 55 from the sidelines after qualifying in only the long jump, an event in which the transgender athletes didnt compete.
#2---Since when do trans women "lose their muscle mass"? You really think a man who takes estrogen is going to lose the average 26 extra pounds of muscle mass he has compared to a woman? You got any data about how much weaker these transwomen become when they are not getting testosterone from their testes?
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00421-006-0351-1
From a study of hand grip strength comparison between untrained men and elite female athletes: The present findings show that the differences in hand-grip strength of men and women are larger than previously reported. An appreciable difference still remains when using lean body mass as reference. The results of female national elite athletes even indicate that the strength level attainable by extremely high training will rarely surpass the 50th percentile of untrained or not specifically trained men.
https://www.livescience.com/52998-women-combat-gender-differences.html From the cited article:
But in one way, the sex difference is stark: Men are physically stronger than women, on average. A study in the Journal of Applied Physiology found that men had an average of 26 lbs. (12 kilograms) more skeletal muscle mass than women. Women also exhibited about 40 percent less upper-body strength and 33 percent less lower-body strength, on average, the study found.
The researchers found that height and weight differences between men and women could explain only about half of the difference in strength. ReseAnd a 2006 study in the same journal revealed that men had much stronger grips than women the difference was so big that 90 percent of the women scored lower than 95 percent of the men. The team also looked at highly trained female athletes who excelled at sports requiring a strong grip, such as judo or handball. Though these women did have a stronger grip compared with other women, they still performed worse than 75 percent of the men on this task.
In general, men are also faster than women. The fastest woman in the world, Florence Griffith Joyner, ran the 100-meter dash in just 10.49 seconds in 1988, and that record remains unbroken. Yet her fastest time wouldn't have even qualified her for the men's 2016 Olympic competition, which requires competitors to finish the 100-meter sprint in 10.16 seconds or less.archers reporting in 1993 in the European Journal of Applied Physiology found that men's brawn could also be attributed to a larger cross-section in individual muscle fibers.
#6--This is very relevant when talking about gender dysphoria. There are many comorbidities, like anxiety, depression, body dysmorphic disorder, eating disorders. If a child is anxious, depressed, and searching for an identity, the answer is NOT to permanently and radically alter their body through hormones and surgery. The comment below talks about this.
https://digest.bps.org.uk/2018/01/17/most-children-and-teens-with-gender-dysphoria-also-have-multiple-other-psychological-issues/
Here's a comment on the above article from a parent who has lived with a child with rapid onset gender dysphoria.
When your daughter all of the sudden says shes a boy at age 12 without a single symptom of gender dysphoria prior to that (this is called Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria ROGD), you start to take this seriously and not as a political cause, a civil rights movement, or an interesting scholarly debate.
These findings demonstrate what I have lived. Kids are being diagnosed with anxiety and depression now more than ever before. Its these kids that are struggling with fitting in, with being perfect, with hating their bodies that find the siren song of trans.
Thankfully, we saw our daughters depression (and flirtation with an eating disorder) just before her claim she was transgender. In the US, psychologists typically follow the APA treatment guidelines of affirmation therapy and so her licensed therapist affirmed her as a boy and recommended a gender expert to start her on testosterone and plan her future surgeries. We quit therapy.
This is real. This is what is happening in nice, normal, non-bigoted, loving homes all across the world.
After a year of family suffering with no professional help and simply removing her access to transgender promotion on You Tube (Miles McKenna was her favorite vlogger) and some family bonding, she came to the realization on her own that she was not transgender. I can guarantee that had we kept her in therapy and affirmed her belief, that she would be transitioning to male.
Here are her words, I realized that I just wanted a reason for the way I felt, that the second I found this seemingly possible solution, I grasped onto it and wouldnt let go. It seemed like the perfect solution; it came with something to fight for as well. There were others like me, and it felt good to finally belong somewhere. I was finally a part of something bigger than myself. It seemed perfectly imperfect. But now I was realizing that this was not the solution. I was suddenly grateful that I had not transitioned. It would have ruined me.
Wake up. There is a terrible mistake and a terrible consequence to medicalizing children with such a paucity of data. Forget data there is NO reliable diagnosis. The assumption that children are infallible in their understanding of who they are is ludicrous.
As a PhD Neuroscientist, I am well aware that the brain, especially the cortical structures that foster reasoning and judgement, are not fully developed until approximately age 25. No one should be providing experimental medicines with known side effects (some irreversible) to children with an neurophysiologically un-diagnosable, theoretical, undefined condition of feeling like they are in the wrong body.
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J.K. Rowling, B.Weiss & N. Chomsky Among Dozens Sign Open Letter Calling for End to Cancel Culture [View all]
lapucelle
Jul 2020
OP
His understanding of the alt-right and the rise of fascism hasn't really kept up with reality.
WhiskeyGrinder
Jul 2020
#21
Imagine being sad when you have to hear the little people's objections to your views.
WhiskeyGrinder
Jul 2020
#11
Cancel culture is simply a passive method designed to avoid the consequences of free speech
LanternWaste
Jul 2020
#49
Whatever you do gird your loins before daring to dissent on the one of her Twitter threads
TubbersUK
Jul 2020
#62
My money is mine - I tend to avoid buying things from people that piss me off.
backscatter712
Jul 2020
#113
She's not being punished for her speech. People are pushing back on a platform that allows such
WhiskeyGrinder
Jul 2020
#164
"Sure, just like David Duke's disagreement with Black people is one way of looking at an issue,
WhiskeyGrinder
Jul 2020
#180
One imagines that if we value speech, we then realize the consequences of that speech.
LanternWaste
Jul 2020
#48
Wow. This is really stupid. You are free to say things. People are free to not like what you say.
Squinch
Jul 2020
#13
Yes - such a pompous, inane letter IMO - read it twice & can't find any substance in it n/t
TubbersUK
Jul 2020
#19
No, I don't know of that process either, but the process of reinforcing that a
Doodley
Jul 2020
#182
Fallon Fox, MtF trans, seriously injured Tamikka Brents and destroyed her career.
Manifestor_of_Light
Jul 2020
#201
The Federalist is a Conservative, Pro-Trump Propaganda Site. Also, Responses Below...
Sophia_Of_PlanetX
Jul 2020
#204
Every TERF I've seen online or IRL absolutely hates trans women and wants them not to exist.
Sophia_Of_PlanetX
Jul 2020
#206
She's upset because she's down to her last 14.3 million Twitter followers poor thing
TubbersUK
Jul 2020
#35
JK Rowling wrote some absolutely genius kids' books & oversaw their wonderful movies. ...
Hekate
Jul 2020
#33
Based on the recent backlash, Rowling's signature is most likely an exercise in self-service.
lapucelle
Jul 2020
#41
Many of them are of an era that has a different concept of liberalism and progressivism than the
WhiskeyGrinder
Jul 2020
#67
A list of people and things Donald Trump tried to get canceled before he railed against 'cancel cult
soothsayer
Jul 2020
#38
Rightwingers have been trying to silence me my whole life. I see no reason to copy their methods
struggle4progress
Jul 2020
#57
I am opposed to the cancel culture and will boycott anyone who disagrees with me!
Doodley
Jul 2020
#82
I have read the letter. It commits the common -- and disingenuous -- error of treating "all sides"
WhiskeyGrinder
Jul 2020
#137
They lost me with their claim of "the intolerant climate that has set in on all sides."
VOX
Jul 2020
#93
You are correct about the right. They aren't the same, but we can't become them.
musicblind
Jul 2020
#112
Those who complain about "Political Correctness" just want to say the n-word in "polite" company...
Humanist_Activist
Jul 2020
#139
No, I'm talking about current context, just like how this letter is just a transphobe...
Humanist_Activist
Jul 2020
#142
Generally people who never have to worry about juggling rent and groceries, who have access...
Humanist_Activist
Jul 2020
#150
Uhm, do most of these people have to work 50+ hours a week to be able to make rent every month?
Humanist_Activist
Jul 2020
#155
You can't change everyone's mind . It just turns into those who are victimized having to be the ones
JI7
Jul 2020
#125
Just because she is a progressive and allies with Cortez, doesn't mean she has not
Beringia
Jul 2020
#160