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Blecht

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123. Science requires some skepticism along with trusting experts

Mon Jul 13, 2020, 03:26 PM

Jul 2020

It is not one or the other.

Remember this blast from the past? The authors have credentials coming out of their noses:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data

Data lacking to recommend broad mask use
We do not recommend requiring the general public who do not have symptoms of COVID-19-like illness to routinely wear cloth or surgical masks because:

* There is no scientific evidence they are effective in reducing the risk of SARS-CoV-2 transmission
* Their use may result in those wearing the masks to relax other distancing efforts because they have a sense of protection
* We need to preserve the supply of surgical masks for at-risk healthcare workers.

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NBC nightly news just interviewed 5 pediatricians [View all] Takket Jul 2020 OP

Who paid whom? yonder Jul 2020 #1

Hand picked doctors ... nakocal Jul 2020 #2

And the teachers??!? secondwind Jul 2020 #3

Yup, and the teachers, and other staff? nt Hortensis Jul 2020 #80

Show that camp where 62 campers and staff caught it. NightWatcher Jul 2020 #4

This soothsayer Jul 2020 #6

It was 82, I believe. Nevilledog Jul 2020 #9

Yes, 41 on the first testing day and the same on another day. LastDemocratInSC Jul 2020 #57

Guess we trust the experts, but only when they say what we want. Hoyt Jul 2020 #5

I don't trust experts. Crunchy Frog Jul 2020 #16

Would you trust these five "experts" with the live of YOUR child? Ferrets are Cool Jul 2020 #19

Not anymore than I trust those for closing schools another year are acting in kids' best interests. Hoyt Jul 2020 #24

If they're regular pediatricians... Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2020 #28

I trust them more than most other "experts" when it comes to kids. Hoyt Jul 2020 #33

I'll trust the epidemiologists in regard to the virus. Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2020 #34

Then, you'd be surprised by this study of 500 epidemiologists in June. Hoyt Jul 2020 #37

Yeah, I'm sure that scientists will be unaware... Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2020 #38

"Experts" in what field? Yavin4 Jul 2020 #53

Read the other posts above, that include epidemiologists too. Truthfully, this has become a Hoyt Jul 2020 #61

My point is this. We don't have enough data collection to make a judgment on opening schools. Yavin4 Jul 2020 #77

I'm with you Ferrets are Cool Jul 2020 #84

I'm fine with waiting for data, but we have to start planning to open right now if data Hoyt Jul 2020 #85

Relative to what happened in Texas there is no data showing we can open uponit7771 Jul 2020 #105

I Did Not See Anyone Say We Should Write The School Year Off.... usedtobedemgurl Jul 2020 #113

THIS !!! uponit7771 Jul 2020 #104

Yes, because Obama Was A Caring Adult, With No Hidden Agenda. n/t usedtobedemgurl Jul 2020 #114

You certainly pretend to speak for a lot of people... LanternWaste Jul 2020 #65

As do you. Hoyt Jul 2020 #66

Nope. Just myself. Pretense indeed! LanternWaste Jul 2020 #68

Maybe, you ought to read what some experts say -- whether they agree or disagree. Hoyt Jul 2020 #69

Maybe you ought not to speak for anyone other than you and yours. LanternWaste Jul 2020 #70

When my name is on the post, that's who I am speaking for, even if you don't like it. Hoyt Jul 2020 #72

'We' implies much more than one... even if you don't like grammar LanternWaste Jul 2020 #73

Lol, maybe give up now! Nt USALiberal Jul 2020 #97

Speaking about grammar, your quote is incorrect. nt USALiberal Jul 2020 #119

+100000 Celerity Jul 2020 #100

They were wrong... Period uponit7771 Jul 2020 #103

+1 BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #120

Science requires some skepticism along with trusting experts Blecht Jul 2020 #123

Agree. Out of over a half million kids in Texas daycares only 300 got the virus Quixote1818 Jul 2020 #125

We'll wait for Barron to go to school and then we'll think about it. C_U_L8R Jul 2020 #7

At Barron's school everyone will be screened every morning (nt) mr_lebowski Jul 2020 #18

How can they say that "transmission from adult to child is very rare"? DSandra Jul 2020 #8

Heard the same thing and yelled at the TV. sarcasmo Jul 2020 #86

I watched that segment in utter disbelief. Totally Tunsie Jul 2020 #10

Shoulda had a disclaimer that it was a trump infomercial. Nevilledog Jul 2020 #11

exactly rockfordfile Jul 2020 #93

Every day at school this fall will be a Covid Party. sarcasmo Jul 2020 #12

Maybe republicans should change their party name to Covid Party. LisaL Jul 2020 #23

Murder party. onecaliberal Jul 2020 #25

With the stock market at risk.... safeinOhio Jul 2020 #78

Just read about a case in daycare, where mother LisaL Jul 2020 #13

Yep. Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2020 #17

Yep, this same situation will happen when schools open. sarcasmo Jul 2020 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author pwb Jul 2020 #14

How were they selected? Sanity Claws Jul 2020 #15

5 pediatric researchers? Bad Thoughts Jul 2020 #20

What comparables are there of other nations with schools being open with the rate of infection we Doodley Jul 2020 #21

Most schools will reopen I'm afraid. panader0 Jul 2020 #22

I think you are 100% right. I would also say that even if it is relatively few numbers, Doodley Jul 2020 #27

I think most kids will be fine. LisaL Jul 2020 #44

Well sure, as DeVoss said, it'd be what, just 0.2% that would die Blue_Adept Jul 2020 #115

and also higher risk household members and classmates pstokely Jul 2020 #126

NBA is playing in front of no fans nt maryellen99 Jul 2020 #46

These Texas daycares say otherwise SoonerPride Jul 2020 #29

Only 300 cases out of a half million kids. No, those stats totally back up the Pediatricians math Quixote1818 Jul 2020 #124

Like Dr. Oz and others that said it was ok to open up . . .. Iliyah Jul 2020 #30

I think these 5 docs are pretty much in line with mainstream pediatricians. Hoyt Jul 2020 #31

Then mainstream pediatricians need to educate themselves. LisaL Jul 2020 #43

Some are still open too. Here's a poll of epidemiologists in June. 70% said open schools by Fall. Hoyt Jul 2020 #45

Did they know how many Covid cases we are going to have by fall? LisaL Jul 2020 #48

I think a lot of the problem lies with the fact that Trump and his administration can't be trusted Arkansas Granny Jul 2020 #54

Agree 100%. If Obama were leading this we'd all feel better. But, just because it's trump, Hoyt Jul 2020 #58

traitor trump is a pos rockfordfile Jul 2020 #95

Agree 100%. But, I think we have to make decisions on kids' futures Hoyt Jul 2020 #98

you support trump rockfordfile Jul 2020 #94

You are badly wrong. I think we should do what's best for kids, whether or not Hoyt Jul 2020 #99

Pediatricians? LuckyCharms Jul 2020 #32

It's narcissistic behavior imo. Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2020 #35

I'm furious today. LuckyCharms Jul 2020 #42

Here's poll of 500 epidemiologists in June about schools. 70% said open in Fall or sooner. Hoyt Jul 2020 #40

Assuming "the public health response to it unfold as they expect" Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2020 #47

Did you try reading it. NYT's is providing a lot of CV19 stuff free. Hoyt Jul 2020 #49

Yes, I clicked your link. Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2020 #51

That's exactly right. LisaL Jul 2020 #50

A few more quotes for you -- again, cherry-picked. Hoyt Jul 2020 #56

Thanks for the text. Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2020 #60

I believe we plan to reopen. As the date gets closer, we may have to push it back. Hoyt Jul 2020 #63

you have some pos folks there rockfordfile Jul 2020 #96

When a large percentage of people do not follow recommendations... LuckyCharms Jul 2020 #52

Given the HORRIBLE results in the USA... Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2020 #59

Look, I agree the blame is on trump's admin. But, we can't just stop trying because trump is a loser Hoyt Jul 2020 #64

Hoyt, I understand and respect your point, but what I am saying is that... LuckyCharms Jul 2020 #71

Agree 100%, except over what aspects of society we should just write-off, particularly schools. Hoyt Jul 2020 #76

Just how much is a person's or child's life worth Tribetime Jul 2020 #109

True but we can try smartly not the dumbest way possible uponit7771 Jul 2020 #106

Of course. Never said otherwise. Hoyt Jul 2020 #112

Sending kids to school without gating data is not smart though, I don't get this !! We're missing uponit7771 Jul 2020 #116

Sure, but what does Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil think? Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2020 #36

So adults infect children but children don't infect adults? Phoenix61 Jul 2020 #39

500 day Care people caught covid-19 in two weeks in Texas during June. uponit7771 Jul 2020 #107

self kick to provide link to video............. Takket Jul 2020 #41

How is "reaching out to five pediatricians" a "random sample" as claimed by the report? lapucelle Jul 2020 #55

Boy the murder-suicide cult is strong! ananda Jul 2020 #62

Child to adult is very rare? Cracklin Charlie Jul 2020 #67

What data are they basing this on?? I have not seen much on children being tested. mackdaddy Jul 2020 #117

Yeah, they should have no problem social distancing in schools. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2020 #74

They're on a mission from BURP lpbk2713 Jul 2020 #75

maybe transmission from children to adults is rare because... BGBD Jul 2020 #79

Completely wrong. roamer65 Jul 2020 #81

Good questions seen on Facebook re: Teachers and students pitchforksandtorches Jul 2020 #82

It's no secret that children are at much lower risk of contracting COVID-19. OilemFirchen Jul 2020 #83

They can contract covid just fine. LisaL Jul 2020 #87

the issue asymptomatic kids becoming spreaders pstokely Jul 2020 #127

There's no data that supports this relative to exposure rate uponit7771 Jul 2020 #108

2 out of 5 seemed to be somewhat versed on the virus ... GeorgeGist Jul 2020 #88

Well we do have a lot of holiday inn express platinum club members here BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #121

New York Times: Internal CDC documents warn full reopening of schools is 'highest risk'... Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2020 #89

Well, that's depressing.... LeftInTX Jul 2020 #90

THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN IN AN ELEMENTARY CLASSROOM! AwakeAtLast Jul 2020 #91

This BS absolutely infuriated me. Alliepoo Jul 2020 #92

Its not just kids in school rooms, its teachers, busdrivers, janitors, cooks, front office people Baclava Jul 2020 #118

Maintenance and central office staff. ❤ nt littlemissmartypants Jul 2020 #122

Isn't all of this based on following certain procedures ? JI7 Jul 2020 #101

An Texas daycares... JCMach1 Jul 2020 #102

Guess I need to add pediatrics and pediatricians to my CV19 trash by keyword filter BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #110

So, if there's "no threat", why would they need to social distance? GoCubsGo Jul 2020 #111