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37. Good points, Mike 03. There are many posters on social media with nefarious motives.

Sat Jul 25, 2020, 10:56 AM

Jul 2020

And then there are just people working through their own cognitive dissonance with believing all republicans are bad, and then they're bad but may benefit us. I believe there is a whole range of why people post what they do.

It's easiest to believe that all disagreements are conspiracies these days, because we know how many bad actors now have access to what we think of as informed beliefs.

I am enormously grateful for what the Lincoln Project has done for our country, and to teach democratic masses how to make an effective attack ad (which we have never done effectively up to this point). But I also know that we will be on the other end of that stinger when they move their re-made party back into a position they're more comfortable with.

Right now, whatever they do to help us get our country back is ok with me.

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Some folks on the left are hammering the Lincoln Project [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2020 OP

Absolutely spot on! imanamerican63 Jul 2020 #1

Exactly. citizen blues Jul 2020 #80

Political purity is an oxymoron.. their ads are great and receive millions of views Thekaspervote Jul 2020 #2

People who oppose these ads are fucking idiots who want to help Trump. NurseJackie Jul 2020 #86

Perfectly said. PTWB Jul 2020 #94

You have a way with words Hekate Jul 2020 #106

Thank you! NurseJackie Jul 2020 #108

Media is *Our* Stronghold Roy Rolling Jul 2020 #156

We have the talent. They control the media outlets. Cetacea Jul 2020 #165

Yes, The criticism of LP also came as Biden starts doing well in polls JI7 Jul 2020 #179

Remember Newt Gingrich? DownriverDem Jul 2020 #113

The ads are better than porn and a reminder of how ruthless Rs can be. Keep your enemies close. Pepsidog Jul 2020 #114

I don't care where the ammunition comes from dalton99a Jul 2020 #3

Problem for GOP. I'm not going to make it mine. NCjack Jul 2020 #33

Ditto. nt iluvtennis Jul 2020 #53

Talk about delicious irony! agingdem Jul 2020 #79

Repeat: "We need all the ammunition we can get" K and R your entire post.. Stuart G Jul 2020 #119

The enemy of my enemy Mz Pip Jul 2020 #4

U.S. foreign policy for the last Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #12

And who are the ONLY ones really benefitting from perpetual war? not_the_one Jul 2020 #122

I've seen these attacks on Twitter as a recurring theme Mike 03 Jul 2020 #5

Good points, Mike 03. There are many posters on social media with nefarious motives. BComplex Jul 2020 #37

+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2020 #67

I agree. Motive Matters. WheelWalker Jul 2020 #77

Who are these "some people." Laelth Jul 2020 #6

Here's a start DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2020 #9

Interesting essay. Thank you. n/t Laelth Jul 2020 #34

I have my doubts about those people criticizing the Lincoln Project, gab13by13 Jul 2020 #42

That article is a joke Yeehah Jul 2020 #158

I would like to know too... 2naSalit Jul 2020 #10

I wasn't specifically referring to DU. In the scheme of things we aren't that powerful. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2020 #13

Oh... 2naSalit Jul 2020 #24

As opposed to neo-liberal ala Jonathan Chait? KPN Jul 2020 #97

Look around GusBob Jul 2020 #14

I will. Thanks. n/t Laelth Jul 2020 #17

How do you know he/she is a liberal? gab13by13 Jul 2020 #45

Good point GusBob Jul 2020 #52

I have criticized TLP Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #22

That seems reasonable. Laelth Jul 2020 #40

Spot on, gab13by13 Jul 2020 #51

I like the idea of Kasich speaking, personally. Laelth Jul 2020 #56

Absolutely. Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #155

Exactly. Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2020 #162

Some in TLP have apologized. Others have not but continue to work to take down trump mucifer Jul 2020 #59

That's nice that they apologized Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #153

Two of the founders, Rick Wilson and Steve Schmidt, were against trump long before he was elected. George II Jul 2020 #62

But they were pro-Bush Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #152

I have seen it on twitter, the comments are uninformed and sometimes brutal Thekaspervote Jul 2020 #25

Interesting. Thanks. n/t Laelth Jul 2020 #35

It's been all over the place here on DU the last week or so. George II Jul 2020 #60

Guess I missed it. n/t Laelth Jul 2020 #74

The OP didn't say "widespread".. I've seen it.. he's not Cha Jul 2020 #145

Yeah, well politics is often the art of grabbing opportunity, and purists are known as... TreasonousBastard Jul 2020 #7

Aptly put. n/t Metatron Jul 2020 #65

There is exactly no chance they've changed... Hugin Jul 2020 #8

They've burned their bridges. They can't go back. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2020 #11

+1 n/t Laelth Jul 2020 #92

I'm willing to take that risk at this point in our history. George II Jul 2020 #61

They have publicly expressed strong support for republican platform values. They will fight us JudyM Jul 2020 #182

Or, when you see your opponents burying themselves, give them a shovel? Baitball Blogger Jul 2020 #15

Sun Tzu. Laelth Jul 2020 #95

Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2020 #16

There's a difference between a conservative Republican and a Trumpian Republican, IMO. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #70

Yes, of course there is. H2O Man Jul 2020 #96

If TLP forms their own party, Wednesdays Jul 2020 #166

You're probably right. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #173

Well said. KPN Jul 2020 #99

Thank you! H2O Man Jul 2020 #101

Well we hoped that Trump would destroy the Republican party lunatica Jul 2020 #125

Well said! H2O Man Jul 2020 #139

I worry too, but lunatica Jul 2020 #140

My personal opinion is that strange times like these jimlup Jul 2020 #18

One of the founders fantasized about shooting Michael Brown JonLP24 Jul 2020 #19

I think the skepticism is warranted. Let's see what happens after Biden wins NRaleighLiberal Jul 2020 #20

Agreed. I welcome their efforts and love KPN Jul 2020 #100

I can fight with someone about lowering taxes on rich people, and still raise a glass with them ... dawg Jul 2020 #21

Mitt Romney recently pushed to fast track SS & Medicare cuts JonLP24 Jul 2020 #23

As important as those programs are, they are still just matters of policy. dawg Jul 2020 #32

I'm not giving Romney a pass just because I hate Trump JonLP24 Jul 2020 #38

I'm not exactly giving him a pass either. dawg Jul 2020 #89

To all those doing so I would recommend that they listen to HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #26

I know a lot more about them than that JonLP24 Jul 2020 #31

OK, great. HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #39

lol GeorgiaPeanut Jul 2020 #54

the purity police will stand firm stopdiggin Jul 2020 #128

That they will. HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #130

there once was a Republican party stopdiggin Jul 2020 #138

Links, from legitimate, reliable sources, would be helpful. "Dug stuff up" unattributed. Does not niyad Jul 2020 #58

IKR MaryMagdaline Jul 2020 #27

I don't think these people have changed, but their ads are good. yardwork Jul 2020 #28

That's my knock on them. mjvpi Jul 2020 #81

good analagy stopdiggin Jul 2020 #129

Exactly. JudyM Jul 2020 #184

I lulz'd KG Jul 2020 #29

What do you think the Lincoln Project will be doing 4 years from now? mokawanis Jul 2020 #30

I couldn't care less what they are doing. BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #43

They're conservative, and that's okay. They will never moonscape Jul 2020 #75

I don't care. I'm not giving them money, and if they can help defeat DT now, I'll ehrnst Jul 2020 #83

I agree mokawanis Jul 2020 #90

There won't be a "four years from now" if Trump is reelected. meadowlander Jul 2020 #143

I have no views on The Lincoln Project CatLady78 Jul 2020 #36

Ah yes the red rose purity morons BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #41

We also must realize that this slick, organized group LakeArenal Jul 2020 #44

Is it really the left or could it be trolls? blueinredohio Jul 2020 #46

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, is a temporary condition. CrispyQ Jul 2020 #47

Allow for the very strong possibility that these so called Enoki33 Jul 2020 #48

Was just scrolling through to see if this possibility was mentioned Sugarcoated Jul 2020 #150

I don't need them to change beyond their normal range, which Hortensis Jul 2020 #49

The far left is totally marginalized by TLP GeorgiaPeanut Jul 2020 #50

+100000000 betsuni Jul 2020 #136

The Lincoln Project Is A Gift Me. Jul 2020 #55

It's a desperate act of self-preservation for the people who started TLP. sop Jul 2020 #57

The repugs against the orange one are not trying to change or, Hotler Jul 2020 #63

They are our friends only in this fight. Lucky Luciano Jul 2020 #64

I'm not naive enough to believe wnylib Jul 2020 #66

I would compare The Lincoln Project to Russia during WWII. Sloumeau Jul 2020 #68

Exactly! We may very well have not won WWII had it not been for Stalin and russia Thekaspervote Jul 2020 #93

EVEN IF the LP turns out to be no real friend of the Left and have to be jettisoned at some point, BobTheSubgenius Jul 2020 #69

The Lincoln Project founders don't give a shit. It's all about NoMoreRepugs Jul 2020 #71

I, for one, believe in and endorse redemption. n/t WheelWalker Jul 2020 #72

My take on The Lincoln Project. Mr. Evil Jul 2020 #73

Hammering Lincoln Project JGug1 Jul 2020 #76

I just wonder if they're changing any minds bucolic_frolic Jul 2020 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Jul 2020 #91

The key to everything, "..their effect is marginal--but might prove decisive" That is it.. Stuart G Jul 2020 #116

There not "folks" on the left. They are idiots that would complain if Trump resigned tomorrow..... usaf-vet Jul 2020 #82

The other Susan is concerned about the Lincoln Project ... Susan Sarandon Snake Plissken Jul 2020 #84

We have a common enemy... paleotn Jul 2020 #85

Why isn't the left Glaisne Jul 2020 #87

The true left ( meaning liberals) ARE making good ads JI7 Jul 2020 #127

I have no problem collaborating with the opponent Mr. Ected Jul 2020 #88

They have not changed, they just oppose Trump and what Republicans are doing this much. LizBeth Jul 2020 #98

I welcome their advertisements. My concern is they are being held up as heroes. Gore1FL Jul 2020 #102

lessee, somebody famous once said "Trust, but verify." now who could that've been?...😬 bringthePaine Jul 2020 #103

Great the ads are hurting Trump, but I believe it is the Bush/Cheney Neocons wanting to take back rwsanders Jul 2020 #104

Interesting thread. Not sure that any of it actually KPN Jul 2020 #105

There's no reason to expect the Lincoln Project people to turn into Democrats. LAS14 Jul 2020 #107

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. bluescribbler Jul 2020 #109

The purist are always mad about some Democratic transgression but never turn their Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #134

Let the purists complain relayerbob Jul 2020 #110

If someone is attacking Trump, they can proceed. CaptainTruth Jul 2020 #111

Some folks on the left supported Jill Stein (and Ralph Nader before that). One only hopes these hlthe2b Jul 2020 #112

Can we say tiptonic Jul 2020 #115

I want there to be a principled opposition. mac56 Jul 2020 #117

I recently discovered Lincoln had a Democratic VP, Andrew Johnson. CaptainTruth Jul 2020 #118

Oh Gawd no! pandr32 Jul 2020 #120

Could the liberal attacks be from Russians, Chinese, etc.? dlk Jul 2020 #121

Why can't you except that some liberals Sewa Jul 2020 #141

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and not everyone will agree on everything dlk Jul 2020 #164

They are great for what they do angrychair Jul 2020 #123

Agreed Laha Jul 2020 #124

There are some who claim to be on the left but want Democrats to lose JI7 Jul 2020 #126

They are upset about moderate elected...won't get their policy through... I swear some Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #131

They are not the enemy of our enemy. They are the enemy. aidbo Jul 2020 #132

We need two political parties of grown adults if this country's going to put itself back together. backscatter712 Jul 2020 #133

Well stated. I totally agree. It's not a good idea to aim for a one party system, even... LAS14 Jul 2020 #146

They are still Republicans - they may not like Trump but they LOVE everything he's done tenderfoot Jul 2020 #135

Agree 💯 live love laugh Jul 2020 #174

They can have all the pats on the head they like. theaocp Jul 2020 #137

They haven't changed but when someone else is doing your dirty work, shut up and let them. meadowlander Jul 2020 #142

What says to me they've changed wryter2000 Jul 2020 #144

Come February... lame54 Jul 2020 #147

Are the folks on the left Russian bots? jpak Jul 2020 #148

Post removed Post removed Jul 2020 #163

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. patphil Jul 2020 #149

I mix it up for the benefit of Democrats on social media and have for 20+ years. Sugarcoated Jul 2020 #151

I will believe they have "changed" when they are no longer repukes Skittles Jul 2020 #154

They have done more to resist Trump than Bernie DIVINEprividence Jul 2020 #157

Oh, absolutely. Their ads are great and they need to keep them coming. PatrickforO Jul 2020 #159

I support them just like I support any effort to defeat Trump. DTomlinson Jul 2020 #160

While I'm not certain that the people in Progressive dog Jul 2020 #161

i am glad for the ads they are running now questionseverything Jul 2020 #167

Of course. But it all seems to me to point to Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2020 #168

The enemy of my enemy is my ... eppur_se_muova Jul 2020 #169

I don't think that's good seta1950 Jul 2020 #170

They're idiots. Lincoln Project rocks. Joinfortmill Jul 2020 #171

I'm a little worried TheFarseer Jul 2020 #172

Personally I hope that they'll turn to reforming the propaganda machine and summer_in_TX Jul 2020 #175

right now, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. After we win in Nov. we'll worry about them. TeamPooka Jul 2020 #176

Well, they're irresponsible for acting like that! I constantly hammer the Pubs for hating somebody napi21 Jul 2020 #177

Fuck their "Plan B" Mike Niendorff Jul 2020 #178

I am acquainted with one of these guys. He can't go back. GoneOffShore Jul 2020 #180

Churchill loathed Communists, but allied with Stalin to win WWII. We're in a war. n/t Prof.Higgins Jul 2020 #181

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Most what I see is they want Trump, his minions Historic NY Jul 2020 #185

Thanks. How can anyone look at their ads and complain?? R B Garr Jul 2020 #186

Their ads are fantastic and they get into Trump's head NewJeffCT Jul 2020 #187

THey are being very, very honest obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #188

"SOME PEOPLE SAY...." Generally I ignore "some people say" as a news source. Kashkakat v.2.0 Jul 2020 #189