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Link? Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #1
74% of statistics on the internet are made up on the spot. NightWatcher Sep 2012 #2
+1! Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #3
You done sneering yet? Zalatix Sep 2012 #5
You're making claims based on a sample size of 6 or 7 people? Bradical79 Sep 2012 #12
A real source? Aside from someone who testified right here? Zalatix Sep 2012 #29
LOL, you should be an investigative reporter snooper2 Sep 2012 #47
Are you implying the DUer who made the post I'm referring to, was lying? Zalatix Sep 2012 #51
I don't know where you pulled that from, not even left field- out in parking lot C maybe? snooper2 Sep 2012 #70
Your post utterly lacks coherence. Zalatix Sep 2012 #73
Dude... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #91
No, but your arguments and your insults are at kindergarten level. Zalatix Sep 2012 #92
Your understanding of the law you're criticizing lacks... CreekDog Sep 2012 #95
You mean a mandatory purchase law that originally was proposed by the Heritage Foundation Zalatix Sep 2012 #97
tell us what the tax penalty is for not having insurance on September 19, 2012? CreekDog Sep 2012 #98
"Shoot before you aim" derpishness is not becoming of you. Zalatix Sep 2012 #102
but you said the effects are happening now CreekDog Sep 2012 #104
I'll repeat for you, since you missed it... Zalatix Sep 2012 #107
yeah but the limits on their rate of profit took effect CreekDog Sep 2012 #109
Yes, some got rebate checks, at least one got dinged 10% instead. I am willing to bet Zalatix Sep 2012 #114
Yeah. That Part. Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #105
Okay, Sparky, let me explain this to you. Zalatix Sep 2012 #113
Jesus Christ, just read the fucking law, would you? Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #128
Apparently you read, but do not comprehend. Hence the fit you're throwing. Zalatix Sep 2012 #137
Yes. That''s it precisely.... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #141
Again, you read "the fucking law" but you just don't comprehend. Let's see if you comprehend math? Zalatix Sep 2012 #145
Oh for shit's sake, are you really this dense? Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #150
People in small groups will benefit the most karynnj Sep 2012 #142
Completely unrelated to the post you were responding to ... Really ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #127
So the poster I cited was lying. Did you make sure to tell them that in their thread? Zalatix Sep 2012 #138
No, I'm saying ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #147
You just refuse to come out straight and say you think a DUer is lying. Zalatix Sep 2012 #148
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #158
What is the logical reason that we should "move past that"? tosh Sep 2012 #61
Run with it if you want. Zalatix Sep 2012 #63
I don't think that is within the bounds of Executive Privilege. cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #106
Anecdotal evidence of 1? Enough said... Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #22
It's just one, eh? So screw 'em, right? Zalatix Sep 2012 #31
I think we often rely on logical fallacies to better validate our faith in a position LanternWaste Sep 2012 #110
You're not even funny Hutzpa Sep 2012 #40
You're saying that DUer was lying? Zalatix Sep 2012 #50
No Hutzpa Sep 2012 #57
Well they ARE going up. I didn't say they were going up for everyone. Zalatix Sep 2012 #60
Isn't that another issue? Hutzpa Sep 2012 #74
My case, as stated in the OP, is that the **individual mandate** is not going to work. Zalatix Sep 2012 #77
And you came to that conclusion by reading ONE experience from another DUer. nt Hutzpa Sep 2012 #82
Where there's one, there's bound to be more. Zalatix Sep 2012 #83
I'm sorry Hutzpa Sep 2012 #131
the insurance mandate did not cause that increase CreekDog Sep 2012 #93
Perhaps that poster happens to have a particularly greedy insurance company KamaAina Sep 2012 #136
You're making a selective error in logic that you'd probably not make in other situations e.g. patrice Sep 2012 #154
No.......56% are made up on the spot.... Wounded Bear Sep 2012 #26
Here's one link to a NY Times story last week (but there are many others if you google) riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #88
Mandatory private health insurance will solve this problem. For-profit care is the law! nt Romulox Sep 2012 #4
the should just rename Congress to "Rentseekers Anonymous" BOG PERSON Sep 2012 #124
I got money back a few months ago. Sanddancer Sep 2012 #6
It's not a poor analogy. Zalatix Sep 2012 #14
Having a tax penalty imposed is not the same as being 'forced' to buy insurance. randome Sep 2012 #27
Buy or pay a penalty is not force? You have a strange definition of the word 'penalty'. Zalatix Sep 2012 #32
So Democrats were wrong all these years when they opposed it? The President was wrong sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #129
If i don't own a car i don't need car insurance. Sanddancer Sep 2012 #59
So the only way out of being shaken down for money for corporate welfare is to die. Gotcha. Zalatix Sep 2012 #65
Yes. As long as healthcare in the US remains a business. Sanddancer Sep 2012 #79
You are *not* *now* required to buy insurance, stop lying about ACA CreekDog Sep 2012 #96
All you have to do is look at Romneycare to find out what happens when it IS sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #130
Only people in the exchanges will be paying community rates SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2012 #132
outside the exchanges will require community rating CreekDog Sep 2012 #157
I'm not criticizing the law SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2012 #160
No, it's not a poor analogy at all, just the assertions are false CreekDog Sep 2012 #100
I've gotta say, one thing that truly irritates me anarch Sep 2012 #7
you think its bad now MrDiaz Sep 2012 #13
FAIL! When there is 8% structural unemployment, monetary stimulus by itself coalition_unwilling Sep 2012 #28
okay my friend MrDiaz Sep 2012 #84
We want everyone in this country to have health insurance. Don't we? Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #8
No. We want people to have Health CARE. "Insurance" is a corporate, for-profit concern. nt Romulox Sep 2012 #10
+1! Zalatix Sep 2012 #16
Do you agree that the ACA is preferable to doing nothing? (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #18
Yes, but the mandate is poisonous. Zalatix Sep 2012 #21
The mandate is needed for the requirement that insurance companies cover pre-existing conditions. Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #24
Taxes on the rich could have funded that. Zalatix Sep 2012 #54
No. Making the insurance industry part of the government will have disastrous consequences. nt Romulox Sep 2012 #119
That is actually what single payer is. The government becomes the insurer. nt stevenleser Sep 2012 #133
Um, no. Single Payer does not include guaranteed profit margins for private insurers. nt Romulox Sep 2012 #159
I didnt say that it did. I said the way you phrased it = single payer. nt stevenleser Sep 2012 #161
The mandate does not provide everyone in the country with health insurance. nt NCTraveler Sep 2012 #108
This is their last gasp before the ACA goes into full effect and they know it. dawg Sep 2012 #9
No, I don't. Can you provide a link to where you said that?...nt SidDithers Sep 2012 #11
Yes, I'd like to see it too. And DUers' DevonRex Sep 2012 #17
Right here Zalatix Sep 2012 #20
community rating, which hasn't taken effect yet (nor has the mandate) CreekDog Sep 2012 #101
So? Health care premiums have been doing that for decades. 2012 national sinkingfeeling Sep 2012 #15
Exponential growth doesn't just keep going, in the real world bhikkhu Sep 2012 #25
The OP made a specific assertion of fact, has no data to back it up, and this Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #37
See Post #5, are you saying that DUer whose post I cited was lying? Zalatix Sep 2012 #53
My health insurance went up on average 25% every year when Dubya was pResident. auburngrad82 Sep 2012 #19
You're insurance cost 6 times more in 2008 than in 2000? hughee99 Sep 2012 #103
Actually it doubled over the first four years auburngrad82 Sep 2012 #122
Use your head. This is step one. DevonRex Sep 2012 #23
+1 DinahMoeHum Sep 2012 #30
Use YOUR head. Republicans will game the system. See #14 Zalatix Sep 2012 #33
If it's so easy for them to "game the system", why are they desperate to overturn the ACA? (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #58
They'll keep the individual mandate. Corporations LOVE that. Zalatix Sep 2012 #116
Thank you n/t rsweets Sep 2012 #34
Your OP is baseless. Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #35
See post #5. Zalatix Sep 2012 #36
So your claim is that anecdotal evidence, the statements of a few people on the internets Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #39
First of all, I don't think the poster was a liar. Zalatix Sep 2012 #43
As soon as you walk back your implication that ACA is making things worse Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #45
I didn't say the ACA is making things worse. I said the INDIVIDUAL MANDATE is making things worse. Zalatix Sep 2012 #49
The individual mandate is not on effect jberryhill Sep 2012 #152
The OP said only that premiums were going up by 'as much as 10 percent'. I have to coalition_unwilling Sep 2012 #38
The OP blames "obamacare" for - BELOW AVERAGE INCREASES. Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #42
Please see my edited post. I think the 'tell' is that insurance premiums coalition_unwilling Sep 2012 #44
They have been doing that and worse for a long time. Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #48
A Republican talking point? The individual mandate was Mitt Romney's brainchild. Zalatix Sep 2012 #46
I doubt that brush Sep 2012 #41
Balony. The ACA is not what is driving costs up. Lil Missy Sep 2012 #52
guaranteed customers is bad alc Sep 2012 #55
Indeed. There are LEGIONS of ways for them to game the system. Zalatix Sep 2012 #64
When you are limited to a percentage and control the purse strings TheKentuckian Sep 2012 #139
I sure haven't seen that. However, what do you think premiums were doing before ACA? They were NOT still_one Sep 2012 #56
As I said upthread, health insurance premiums should have been FROZEN. Zalatix Sep 2012 #62
You keep talking about what "should" have been done in this thread. Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #66
And the Individual Mandate is a poisonous element. It was originally a HERITAGE FOUNDATION idea. Zalatix Sep 2012 #68
It's not mandatory, why are you spreading misinformation? CreekDog Sep 2012 #71
So no individual mandate law was passed or upheld by the Supreme Court? Zalatix Sep 2012 #78
Is there a requirement *today* that you buy insurance right now? CreekDog Sep 2012 #89
No, but the law has been passed. Insurance companies are responding to that law. Zalatix Sep 2012 #94
OK, Romney's your man. He has pledged to overturn it on the first day of his presidency. (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #72
Are you KIDDING ME? Romney was the guy who passed the FIRST health insurance mandate law in MA. Zalatix Sep 2012 #75
That was a couple of Etch-a-Sketch shakes ago (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #80
+100! Zalatix Sep 2012 #81
Um, you realize how stunningly ironic this statement is, don't you? Um, don't you??? nt Romulox Sep 2012 #121
O'er here, reality check nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #85
Does it matter if premiums go up when the ACA demands that any $ not spent on providing care stopbush Sep 2012 #67
See post #14, and post #55 Zalatix Sep 2012 #69
Maybe it's time for you to give up...you speak about a law you don't get CreekDog Sep 2012 #117
Maybe you should start trying to actually read what I said. Zalatix Sep 2012 #118
That's not entirely true... Sancho Sep 2012 #76
Oh please. Loki Sep 2012 #86
I don't remember when you said it.... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #87
Here is what the OP says that is total bullshit. Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #90
Good post. Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #99
Hear Hear !! One of the 53% ers to be sure. All baloney, no bread. cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #111
I got a notice I'm getting a REFUND because of the 85% rule. Ins. premiums go up EVERY YEAR.... Obamamite Sep 2012 #112
I'd be happy with a 10% increase, considering it has gone up more than that annually for decades. Hoyt Sep 2012 #115
no, I don't remember. *hides thread. Whisp Sep 2012 #120
Mine went up $30/ month. Capital Blue Cross. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #123
Our insurance went up a very small amount gollygee Sep 2012 #125
And mine went down for the 1st time in 10 years. Lex Sep 2012 #135
This title infuriates me and that "we" are even engaging with this, uh, objectivist, is offensive. cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #126
Not mine. Same coverage and premium went DOWN Lex Sep 2012 #134
OURS, TOO!! renie408 Sep 2012 #140
Wonderful! Lex Sep 2012 #143
There IS an alternative to mandatory health insurance (assuming single-payer is "off the table")... tledford Sep 2012 #144
That's funny... sendero Sep 2012 #146
I'm still miffed that my FSA has been reduced to $2500. aikoaiko Sep 2012 #149
No, I don't remember. Renew Deal Sep 2012 #151
Huh? Premiums HAVE BEEN going up for years now. nt valerief Sep 2012 #153
they would have gone up regardless. spanone Sep 2012 #155
Duh, where you been man? Insurance has been B Calm Sep 2012 #156
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