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octoberlib

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3. Absolute bullshit. We're a representative democracy
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 11:26 AM
Aug 2020

I often hear people argue that the United States is a republic, not a democracy. But that’s a false dichotomy. A common definition of “republic” is, to quote the American Heritage Dictionary, “A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them” — we are that. A common definition of “democracy” is, “Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives” — we are that, too.

The United States is not a direct democracy, in the sense of a country in which laws (and other government decisions) are made predominantly by majority vote. Some lawmaking is done this way, on the state and local levels, but it’s only a tiny fraction of all lawmaking. But we are a representative democracy, which is a form of democracy.

And indeed the American form of government has been called a “democracy” by leading American statesmen and legal commentators from the Framing on. It’s true that some Framing-era commentators made arguments that distinguished “democracy” and “republic”; see, for instance, The Federalist (No. 10), though even that first draws the distinction between “pure democracy” and a “republic,” only later just saying “democracy.” But even in that era, “representative democracy” was understood as a form of democracy, alongside “pure democracy”: John Adams used the term “representative democracy” in 1794; so did Noah Webster in 1785; so did St. George Tucker in his 1803 edition of Blackstone; so did Thomas Jefferson in 1815. Tucker’s Blackstone likewise uses “democracy” to describe a representative democracy, even when the qualifier “representative” is omitted.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/13/is-the-united-states-of-america-a-republic-or-a-democracy/

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The United States is a democratic republic VMA131Marine Aug 2020 #1
Yes, and people commonly say democracy to mean democratic republic. Hortensis Aug 2020 #8
except many monarchies are also considered democracies NutmegYankee Aug 2020 #23
Not to non-academic Americans in everyday use, though. Hortensis Aug 2020 #24
What is "democracy"? NutmegYankee Aug 2020 #30
Umhm. I haven't checked but feel most Americans have an Hortensis Aug 2020 #31
All true. And it sort-of works. n/t Laelth Aug 2020 #2
Absolute bullshit. We're a representative democracy octoberlib Aug 2020 #3
+1 K&R - Representative Democracy is exactly what the US is onetexan Aug 2020 #11
It's BOTH Happy Hoosier Aug 2020 #4
Just as Rome, the USA was founded as an oligarchic republic. It remains so today, with a good dose malchickiwick Aug 2020 #5
US is a republic, but, like a chassis is NOT a car until it has an engine and tires, blm Aug 2020 #6
It's a right wing trope. octoberlib Aug 2020 #27
It's both. A republic is a form of democracy. Goodheart Aug 2020 #7
Not necessarily.... VMA131Marine Aug 2020 #9
Neither China nor North Korea are republics, their phony names for themselves notwithstanding. Goodheart Aug 2020 #12
They absolutely are republics, just not democratic ones VMA131Marine Aug 2020 #17
Please read the info at the link you posted Yeehah Aug 2020 #19
I did, that's why I posted it. VMA131Marine Aug 2020 #25
They absolutely are not. Look up the definition of "republic". Goodheart Aug 2020 #21
Did you see I posted a link to the Wikipedia article VMA131Marine Aug 2020 #26
Of course, you are correct Yeehah Aug 2020 #18
Eldridge Gerry (the father of gerrymandering) was on the losing side lapucelle Aug 2020 #10
It's a floor wax AND a dessert topping! Towlie Aug 2020 #13
Any time I encounter a "republic, not a democracy" type... Paladin Aug 2020 #14
Bingo. Goodheart Aug 2020 #15
Hard same greenjar_01 Aug 2020 #16
The USA of today is not the same as the USA of 1776. kentuck Aug 2020 #20
This is bullshit propaganda from no-nothing clowns. coti Aug 2020 #22
The USA is a representative democracy with a republican form of government Spider Jerusalem Aug 2020 #28
It is both. This is a false dichotamy long promoted by the right wing. yellowcanine Aug 2020 #29
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