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HeiressofBickworth

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18. There is a difference
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 08:23 PM
Sep 2012

between mocking a religion and pointing out religious doctrine that is in conflict with democracy and/or good taste.

For example, it is simply in poor taste for a church to single out an individual who had no connection to the church when alive to perform a baptism after death. No matter how Mormons excuse it, it reveals a callous, self-righteous, assumption of superiority that non-mormons loathe. It is spitting in the face of the living.

JFK was called upon to define his loyalty to his church vs his loyalty to his country. The main difference between JFK and Romney is that JFK was not an officer, clergy, leader of his church; he was merely a member. Romney is an officer, clergy, leader and spiritual guide of his church who is running for the presidency. I consider this to be a direct violation of the separations clause of the Constitution. Because he is running in that capacity, I believe it is vital that we examine the beliefs and practices of Mormonism as part of the vetting of this candidate.

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Don't make "fun" of them HockeyMom Sep 2012 #1
I don't understand why such actions aren't prosecuted as desecration of the dead. . . Journeyman Sep 2012 #2
Mormons don't literally baptize the dead. You know that, right? el_bryanto Sep 2012 #3
You go through the action and do it without consent of the dead, do you not?. . . Journeyman Sep 2012 #4
It does mean something el_bryanto Sep 2012 #7
Can you show me the signed letter of consent from Hockeymom's Grandpa?. . . Journeyman Sep 2012 #12
Those are very simple terms; and if you have no interest in understanding el_bryanto Sep 2012 #14
Well, I am alive and kicking HockeyMom Sep 2012 #15
While you are at it, tell Hindus to stop praying for world peace jberryhill Sep 2012 #46
Pretty weird when one has to "OPT OUT" of post mortem babtism. n/t Smickey Sep 2012 #83
Please. If you don't understand what you believe in, or cannot explain it . . . Journeyman Sep 2012 #16
I was actually referring to your simple terms - that it's all bullshit el_bryanto Sep 2012 #27
In what way should religions respect other's wishes? jberryhill Sep 2012 #48
Pearls before swine? siligut Sep 2012 #62
Did Anne Frank and Pope John II accept being baptized into Joseph Smith's religion by name? braddy Sep 2012 #68
In this world, there's no way of knowing. n/t el_bryanto Sep 2012 #74
Yet the Mormons will continue this, in your face, extraordinarily personal, passive-aggressive braddy Sep 2012 #78
That's a very dark way of looking at it el_bryanto Sep 2012 #79
Most everyone that they are doing this to, has been baptized, into Christianity. braddy Sep 2012 #82
There is NO legal basis whatsoever for a claim jberryhill Sep 2012 #45
Quite debatable aletier_v Sep 2012 #55
Employment discrimination is another story jberryhill Sep 2012 #58
"Mormons always come before non-Mormons." Absolutely meaningless in any context. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #65
All I can say is.. Spend a couple of months in Utah jberryhill Sep 2012 #81
I can see why a lot of people get upset over Mormon baptism of the dead, but... backscatter712 Sep 2012 #67
Well since the Mormon Church edhopper Sep 2012 #5
Still doesn't mean it's not fun to point out the silly. n/t Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #6
When any 'faith' is taken to the public square and used as a tool of political aggression Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #8
I don't think we should concern ourselves with losing the Mormon vote. sadbear Sep 2012 #9
Not true... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #10
Whoa!!! 17%? sadbear Sep 2012 #13
Wow, divisive much? Zalatix Sep 2012 #21
Two For One Hate! Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #28
Hate? sadbear Sep 2012 #32
. Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #36
No one chooses their race. sadbear Sep 2012 #37
So what? Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #38
For you, does not respecting something = disrepecting it? sadbear Sep 2012 #39
"...When their race requires that they put it before everything else..." WTF are you talking about? cleanhippie Sep 2012 #40
if "Their beliefs don't merit respect" then neither do yours demwing Sep 2012 #47
Perhaps we're using a different definition of respect. sadbear Sep 2012 #50
We are also using a different definition of "rigid" demwing Sep 2012 #69
I agree with you but I feel the same about Christians, Jews and Muslims as well. Walk away Sep 2012 #57
Wow what a nice biggot you would make. Egnever Sep 2012 #72
How so? sadbear Sep 2012 #73
Religions are pretty much equal in my eyes ismnotwasm Sep 2012 #11
I'm not sure what PLANET Phelps is from. Zalatix Sep 2012 #35
I vote, happily, for Harry Reid Nevernose Sep 2012 #17
There is a difference HeiressofBickworth Sep 2012 #18
I will always make fun of stupid actions, but the whole church, no. Zalatix Sep 2012 #22
That's your right cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #19
Mormonism is racist, sexist and homophobic. LeftyMom Sep 2012 #20
What about Islam? oberliner Sep 2012 #23
Both have problematic elements, but longer histories of diversity of thought. LeftyMom Sep 2012 #24
Not a "threadjack" oberliner Sep 2012 #25
Discussions of religion generally get moved out of GD. LeftyMom Sep 2012 #26
Islam has been racially inclusive from the onset. grantcart Sep 2012 #29
And Judaism? oberliner Sep 2012 #34
Yes grantcart Sep 2012 #63
The difference, IMO, is that the Mormon Church is a small centralized institution Hippo_Tron Sep 2012 #43
I understand your point oberliner Sep 2012 #76
I know a Sufi Muslim woman who is very progressive on social issues. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #71
Do you not know any Mormons who are? oberliner Sep 2012 #75
I wouldn't make fun of religion, but pointing out objective evil is sometimes necessary bhikkhu Sep 2012 #30
as my grandma used to say, never insult another persons family, country or religion Douglas Carpenter Sep 2012 #31
Yeah .. AsahinaKimi Sep 2012 #33
Why do you hate fun, and America too? Iggo Sep 2012 #41
I agree with you completely etherealtruth Sep 2012 #42
The only reason not to is that it probably won't help Hippo_Tron Sep 2012 #44
Hey Zalatix, do you think any cops vote for Obama? jberryhill Sep 2012 #49
I'm an atheist and find them all humorous but mormons and scientologists Edweird Sep 2012 #51
Not even Christians?! Zax2me Sep 2012 #52
You like Jesus and Jefferson observe orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #53
I love the diversity of an Obama crowd! Laurajr Sep 2012 #54
Some of us are going to use EVERY tool available, and as long as it's the TRUTH, LaydeeBug Sep 2012 #56
If they baptize me after I die, I swear I'll come back and haunt them! madmom Sep 2012 #59
Well bless your heart. Alduin Sep 2012 #60
"Sacred cows make the best hamburger." Mark Twain Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #61
hmmmf. lonestarnot Sep 2012 #64
How ironic that this thread became the perfect vehicle for attacks on Mormons AND other religions. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #66
sorry Zalatix mitchtv Sep 2012 #70
I don't give a shit about the tenets of any particular religion Cirque du So-What Sep 2012 #77
I say it like this. Every patriotic American needs to know Mitt's two heroes, Joseph Smith and dimbear Sep 2012 #80
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