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Awsi Dooger

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71. The reason it might be repeated is Russia

Tue Sep 1, 2020, 02:04 AM

Sep 2020

Today I read the David Shimer book. Not sure that was a great choice. That is one scary book. Far more ominous than I expected, especially the section regarding Russia having the capability to change voter registration figures and possibly even vote tallies in 2016, but Putin backed off fearing retaliation and harsh penalties if Clinton won anyway. Obama warned Putin to stay away. The numbing aspect is that now Trump/Barr undoubtedly are encouraging and welcoming everything along those lines. Trump fears mail balloting because those votes leave a paper trail, unlike the votes Putin might be able to manipulate.

Gad. I'm not sure I'll sleep well tonight. I was never a believer in the GOP vote switching theories here regarding 2004, and in fact used to post in Election Reform while watching terrific contributors like Febble and OnTheOtherHand absolutely dominate the cynical types in that forum.

However, now we've reached new terrain and it would be stupid to downplay or dismiss. Ken Blackwell did not scare me. A long time KGB officer does.

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Reasons why Trump's 2016 upset will not be repeated [View all] Tom Rinaldo Aug 2020 OP

This is a great list. It gives me hope. tinrobot Aug 2020 #1

+1 - Agreed, it also gives me hope. c-rational Aug 2020 #4

K&R, meaning only way for Trump to win is for him to cheat uponit7771 Aug 2020 #2

I agree. Laelth Aug 2020 #3

Thanks for this informative op! abqtommy Aug 2020 #5

And the one reason it COULD be repeated: lastlib Aug 2020 #6

I don't disgree about what his best shot at remaining in office is Tom Rinaldo Aug 2020 #10

This! n/t MFGsunny Sep 2020 #74

+1 Sherman A1 Aug 2020 #60

Very good OP here. gristy Aug 2020 #7

+1 K&R onetexan Aug 2020 #58

On the other hand... BlueSky3 Sep 2020 #79

Thank you DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2020 #8

Gary Johnson and Jill Stein Johnny2X2X Aug 2020 #9

National polls in my opinion need to be avoided. LiberalFighter Aug 2020 #38

State polls have changed Johnny2X2X Aug 2020 #41

The Greens need to join us this time, endorse Biden. JudyM Aug 2020 #48

Is Biden over 50%? What poll? LymphocyteLover Aug 2020 #66

He's over 50 in almost all of the polls Johnny2X2X Sep 2020 #76

great-- I hope LymphocyteLover Sep 2020 #81

Thank you! LaMouffette Aug 2020 #11

I hate that the redneck guys in pickup trucks think the flag is only theirs. llmart Aug 2020 #47

Ya know, the hubby & i are visiting my inlaws in AR, a deep red 45-supporting territory an hour onetexan Aug 2020 #59

I'm not really sure. I know 'we' really hate Trump. Calista241 Aug 2020 #12

Trump had hard core support in 2016 and he has it in 2020 also Tom Rinaldo Aug 2020 #14

Exactly...he won't win because he hasn't expanded his now shrinking base Thekaspervote Aug 2020 #18

An incumbent shouldn't be on the defense. That is a major weakness of their campaign. LiberalFighter Aug 2020 #40

On national or state wide elections WI trends blue. LakeArenal Sep 2020 #82

Uplifting, that said... NNadir Aug 2020 #13

Excellent. I have but one quibble. Pacifist Patriot Aug 2020 #15

You make great points, which cheers me up steve2470 Aug 2020 #16

Sure. He will get some 2016 non voters to vote for him this time. Tom Rinaldo Aug 2020 #17

Excellent thesis! BlueWavePsych Aug 2020 #19

Get ready for DownriverDem Aug 2020 #20

It's not going to be enough. I'm betting that The Lincoln Project and others will expose this guy GoneOffShore Aug 2020 #29

Let's hope so. Funny how we assume that if the message is a big lead, PatrickforO Aug 2020 #21

Absolutely true...and I have put the doom and gloomers mostly on ignore...they hurt our effort and I Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #22

I'm hoping turnout is high enough to completely thrash their voter suppression tactics IronLionZion Aug 2020 #23

There you go again mountain grammy Aug 2020 #24

I have been saying pretty much the same thing gopiscrap Aug 2020 #25

Just pointing out that a lot of Republicans opposing Trump now are cstanleytech Aug 2020 #26

+100000 linda52 Aug 2020 #27

He won last time by way of the electoral college. Sophiedillo Aug 2020 #28

Yes he did... cheezmaka Sep 2020 #70

Bookmark liberalla Aug 2020 #30

He also broke promises appealing to moderates on DACA, improving health care, taxing wealthiest wishstar Aug 2020 #31

Some things cannot be glazed over or lied about Larissa Aug 2020 #32

Only the cheating is what I worry about RhodeIslandOne Aug 2020 #33

Bingo! BigmanPigman Aug 2020 #54

Well done, Tom Rinaldo FakeNoose Aug 2020 #34

Though I share your passion I don't share your optimism Mr. Ected Aug 2020 #35

They don't live in a vacuum. tavernier Sep 2020 #75

There are a lot of Trump supporters on slow bleed right now. ooky Aug 2020 #36

I've been saying the part of more of Trump's voters have died then Clintons for several months. LiberalFighter Aug 2020 #37

The Green and Libertarian thoughts are interesting. apnu Aug 2020 #39

This election is going to be about "owning the libs" apnu Aug 2020 #42

good point Locrian Sep 2020 #80

Try not to get hit in the face when Donnie throws in the sponge. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2020 #43

I hope you submit this as a letter to the editor far and wise. mahina Aug 2020 #44

Single most important variable is independents who shifted away from Trump in early 2017 Awsi Dooger Aug 2020 #45

We were paralyzed in 2016 by ignorance and message bucolic_frolic Aug 2020 #46

K&R, agree. JudyM Aug 2020 #49

Asshole pieces of shit Alpeduez21 Aug 2020 #50

In 1972 I was a 17 year old volunteer for McGovern in 3 states. MarianJack Aug 2020 #51

I saw McGovern speak in 1969 for the first time Taraman Aug 2020 #56

I was always honored that he remembered me the second time that I met him. MarianJack Aug 2020 #57

Thank you. NurseJackie Aug 2020 #52

there is no doubt dems will have more votes AlexSFCA Aug 2020 #53

We hope so ... however jimlup Aug 2020 #55

Excellent List Aepps22 Aug 2020 #61

All good reasons, warmfeet Aug 2020 #62

Great list, well thought out, but your second paragraph alone would be enough mtnsnake Aug 2020 #63

All great points --- the main thing is we don't let up LymphocyteLover Aug 2020 #64

Eric Boehlert has repeatedly said the media just wants to pretend it is close because LymphocyteLover Aug 2020 #65

We Must Vote And.... colsohlibgal Aug 2020 #67

counting on old people dying never seems to work treestar Aug 2020 #68

Thanks for this excellent OP. NoRoadUntravelled Sep 2020 #69

The reason it might be repeated is Russia Awsi Dooger Sep 2020 #71

Excellent analysis. Joinfortmill Sep 2020 #72

I hope you're correct, but I'm not convinced you are. herding cats Sep 2020 #73

Actually I have a better understanding of Trump voters than many Tom Rinaldo Sep 2020 #77

I hope this is true. I am not as optimistic AllyCat Sep 2020 #78