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168. I lived off grid for 12 mos last year. It wasn't necessarily low tech.

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Sun Sep 23, 2012, 11:37 PM

Sep 2012

Off grid does not have to mean low tech. In our case, we only had two panels set up but we had use of any tech we desired, we just had to plan the usage due to our low number of panels. When we begin looking for our off-grid, version two, next year we'll have more alternative power sources. I have told you before, money and resources should be moved to transforming our way of life over to an alternative energy and high efficiency lifestyle, instead of frantically trying to make changes at the tail end of our fossil fuel, massive waste past.

We did not leave our off grid mini farm due to difficulties with the lifestyle. We loved it and miss it every single day. We left it because of location issues and a young adult daughter who lived just a little too far away.

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How many people here want a country of low energy, low tech farms? [View all] a geek named Bob Sep 2012 OP

They'll rapidly change their minds DJ13 Sep 2012 #1

Nice callout XemaSab Sep 2012 #2

thank you! a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #6

Yeah, I think we do Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #244

what about storage, heating, and refrigeration? storage forms are the issue... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #245

Heating and refrigeration Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #249

We have about a third of an acre and we have planted over 20 trees since we moved in back in 1992. WCGreen Sep 2012 #256

That's one of the drawback with veggie gardens. Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #258

I think what we can grow is a small plot of corn, some bean and peas and WCGreen Sep 2012 #259

sounds pretty sweet... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #262

Conceded. Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #268

All noble and worthwhile goals, in my book... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #271

Not that I'll get any replies, but we're headed for a Plutonomy. That's WORSE than a "gridcrash". Zalatix Sep 2012 #338

Who do you think is best positioned to survive the coming crash? Vincardog Sep 2012 #3

any group with varied talents... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #12

You leave out TexasProgresive Sep 2012 #59

good point... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #63

Whoever has the most guns and ammo Shitty Mitty Sep 2012 #146

worse comes to worse... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #148

And you're unable and unwilling to learn anything about growing food XemaSab Sep 2012 #165

strange... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #166

Do the words XemaSab Sep 2012 #176

I got all but xerofluvent, mesic aeric halaquept, and thermic abruptic durixeralf a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #191

This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #252

The Amish, except that they can't/won't defend themselves. N/T GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #211

Please no gridcrash.... nt abelenkpe Sep 2012 #4

we're working on it... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #9

Thank you! abelenkpe Sep 2012 #33

sounds good... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #37

I'd rather see high-tech (solar, wind, biomass, etc) and humane farms REP Sep 2012 #5

That's what the aker groups in my area are trying to do... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #7

I'm good with mass manufactured - especially if made here REP Sep 2012 #14

works for me! a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #16

Well, you can read a lot of crazy shit on the Internet REP Sep 2012 #26

Amen to that! a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #27

Amen! I think if Obama is elected, he will hit wind/solar hard to get our dependence on coal/oil Frustratedlady Sep 2012 #43

I agree. I thought that was what the op was going to be about. robinlynne Sep 2012 #104

Yes, It doesn't have to be as we are or total low tech. There are other options. nt Mojorabbit Sep 2012 #138

I like the idea of robust micro grids a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #142

Me! Me! I want us all to be Amish and sing Kumbaya around the campfire. Speck Tater Sep 2012 #8

If that's your thing, fine. a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #10

So you're of two minds on this? randome Sep 2012 #23

nah... mis-linked a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #25

it would give the unemployed something to do BOG PERSON Sep 2012 #11

how about bringing those jobs back, and not relegating others to drudge work? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #13

that would be nice? BOG PERSON Sep 2012 #15

I think it would... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #18

phsyical force, market force BOG PERSON Sep 2012 #61

I call BS on that one... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #66

whatever BOG PERSON Sep 2012 #72

Fact of the matter? Need to? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #75

proof of what BOG PERSON Sep 2012 #78

interesting... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #80

no problem w/ harnessing technology to satisfy human needs BOG PERSON Sep 2012 #89

okay... if that's your story... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #128

FYI...for those who didn't know... littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #253

Hat-tip to Littlemissmartpants a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #265

you kind of had me .... marasinghe Sep 2012 #332

right... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #335

We already do force folks to work on farms... hunter Sep 2012 #74

and I don't much like that either a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #77

It beats being unemployed. Zalatix Sep 2012 #339

Hey, fuck farmers! XemaSab Sep 2012 #22

Okay... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #24

The Khmer Rouge Forced People to Work on Farms Yavin4 Sep 2012 #49

That's pretty much my reaction... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #52

no, only poor people getting shit wages and living in shacks without running water should do it. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #160

i'll pass, thanks... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #161

I think we should be growing things everywhere we can. porphyrian Sep 2012 #17

We can do roof top and vertical gardens, and then put up blue houses in the desert. a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #20

Blue house? Like this...? porphyrian Sep 2012 #28

I was thinking of Blue houses as something that sheds heat, instead of keeping it a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #29

Ah, OK, nice. I like the verticle garden idea for urban areas, too. n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #31

If we combine the old WWII victory gardens, with vertical farms, we start getting large crops in a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #35

If we get architects onboard, we can manipulate sun exposure through reflective surfaces, too. porphyrian Sep 2012 #38

good point! a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #41

I'm not much of a metalurgist, but I wonder if we can make something that uses lightening... porphyrian Sep 2012 #305

or... we could try and use inductance coils around the lightning rod...hooked to a giant capacitor g a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #306

Yeah, could be dangerous. Better get clearance. porphyrian Sep 2012 #307

well... the heat could flash water into steam, running thermocouples or a a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #308

Right, I was thinking a closed system... porphyrian Sep 2012 #322

that's why I suggested the induction coil a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #323

Here's a heatsink that will make electricity at 80% efficiency. kentauros Sep 2012 #301

hmmm... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #303

I don't know enough about electricity, kentauros Sep 2012 #309

you can use capacitors and isolation transformers to "shield" the rest of the circuit from a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #311

Maybe write to Novack kentauros Sep 2012 #313

kentauros... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #315

She's a wise one, then. kentauros Sep 2012 #318

that's out of my price range... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #319

Yeah, we can do that and have "farms" that are 100% dependent on large chemical companies XemaSab Sep 2012 #44

my wife and i have a food garden... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #45

Where will these urban plants get their nutrients from? XemaSab Sep 2012 #46

you're kidding, right? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #48

You really haven't thought this out very far, have you? XemaSab Sep 2012 #53

okay... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #57

Do you even know what clover does? XemaSab Sep 2012 #65

here you go! a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #67

WRONG ANSWER! XemaSab Sep 2012 #70

really? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #71

Since your magic solution to the nutrient problem was clover, I asked you if you knew what it did XemaSab Sep 2012 #73

really? where am I wrong? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #76

You didn't supply any "facts" XemaSab Sep 2012 #79

I'm supposed to bow to your "facts" a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #82

Where did you get your degree in soil science from? XemaSab Sep 2012 #83

If we're going to play this game... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #85

I got my degree in soils from Humboldt State University XemaSab Sep 2012 #88

okay then... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #92

This is where a smart man would say "Wow, I really need to stop talking about my ass... XemaSab Sep 2012 #97

glad to see that you are willing to discuss things, in spite of your issues... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #101

what is your obsession with strangers on the internet "forcing" you to do things BOG PERSON Sep 2012 #102

nice clip... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #106

which is better. shedding crocodile tears over dead peasants BOG PERSON Sep 2012 #109

right... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #113

this conversation is a waste of time, even by internet standards BOG PERSON Sep 2012 #118

That's the nicest thing you've said all day! Thank you! a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #119

alert a mod if you want BOG PERSON Sep 2012 #120

Why would I alert a mod? you're a fun one... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #122

also... WHY is it okay to force people to leave cities, and go farm, low tech? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #117

The WWII victory gardens were a fairly short-lived event NickB79 Sep 2012 #180

then feel free to show proof. a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #194

I didn't realize you were a hippie-puncher, that explains a lot. nt bananas Sep 2012 #124

What can I say? XemaSab Sep 2012 #201

as well as.. nebenaube Sep 2012 #177

This all totally works on a farm that has inherently good soil XemaSab Sep 2012 #178

nebenaube, I think friend X has an agenda... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #192

Where is he wrong? Mojorabbit Sep 2012 #139

You and me both... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #140

I think it has to do with the intensity and scale of the gardening NickB79 Sep 2012 #181

but that's the thing a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #195

Organic farms seem to be able to do it Mojorabbit Sep 2012 #226

With existing organic farms, you're starting with native soil XemaSab Sep 2012 #227

The soil can be improved for vertical farming Mojorabbit Sep 2012 #228

How do you plow on a rooftop? obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #105

I'd add air fixing via lightning, but I like lightning. a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #107

Cover crops in containers can be done as well as in your yard Mojorabbit Sep 2012 #141

How about via aquaponics? Autumn Colors Sep 2012 #131

A long time back, I read up on a group called New Alchemy a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #198

My husband has become obsessed Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #250

start with the 40% of our food that is wasted. called compost. natures been doing it for a while.. piratefish08 Sep 2012 #184

Under this kind of agricultural system XemaSab Sep 2012 #247

Lowes snooper2 Sep 2012 #242

If all of our food is grown in vertical structures, where are the cows going to graze? XemaSab Sep 2012 #246

Um, the cows will graze where they are grazing today.. snooper2 Sep 2012 #275

I'm not sure we can break up the cities down to 2 or 3 floor structures... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #276

I meant on a 10-20 story building snooper2 Sep 2012 #278

Okay...sorry for the misunderstanding... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #283

That's not true. I'm saying that under a system with "roof top and vertical gardens," XemaSab Sep 2012 #280

What if we add those other nitrogen fixers... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #284

Find an exact quote where I said that I wanted to be a dark ages peasant XemaSab Sep 2012 #293

really? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #294

Do you grow your plants in the ground? XemaSab Sep 2012 #295

actually... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #296

I'm done here XemaSab Sep 2012 #297

you've said that before... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #298

Their wish won't happen. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #19

i like it a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #21

Wishful thinking. Machines already do most of the work. joshcryer Sep 2012 #273

Growing tunnels. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #316

sorry, you're going to have to start getting used to the idea that tech driven farming xchrom Sep 2012 #30

okay then... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #32

I want a country of farms that are well positioned to survive climate change and peak oil. kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #34

I think that's totally doable, especially if we rethink how we use urban space... porphyrian Sep 2012 #36

vertical farms, roof top gardens, and turning some parking lots into a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #39

People here are fighting over low-tech, high-tech Marrah_G Sep 2012 #190

Absolutely. The obvious problem is that research is expensive, which is why so much is done... porphyrian Sep 2012 #204

I'll admit, being a long time and hopelessley enmeshed Maker... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #206

would you explain what a Maker is Marrah_G Sep 2012 #215

My apologies for using jargon... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #219

Ahh okay- makes sense now Marrah_G Sep 2012 #224

If you want to get a feel for the size of "the movement" a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #231

"Man the Maker". Aristotle Smickey Sep 2012 #248

I figure Aristotle got something right a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #261

Not a huge fan either. Smickey Sep 2012 #334

Same here... I still remember the burn party. a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #337

There's a difference between "want" and "think it's inevitable". GliderGuider Sep 2012 #40

Then you'll pardon me... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #42

Knock yourself, man. I'm growing vegetables. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #47

Same here a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #50

Exactly. I am doing the same. Have for years. nt Mojorabbit Sep 2012 #143

Why spit? Does it help anything, or is is just a display of your own arrogance? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #51

Thank you! I'll take that as a compliment! a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #55

I'll even laugh if it succeeds. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #60

ah! the pop-psychology game a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #64

Why do you think they are the problem? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #90

ah... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #93

"Fetish" is your word, not mine. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #99

the unfixable... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #103

My starting point is in the older articles on my web site. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #108

Thanks for the links! a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #111

I am a low tech, low energy farmer. The work is relentless, backbreaking and doesn't pay well riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #54

While I admire your work and honesty, I wish I could offer you some labor saving devices... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #56

If the grid did crash... MercutioATC Sep 2012 #127

Frankly, I consider the Deep Ecology people to be delusional romantics. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #58

Odin, I like the way you think... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #62

The native Americans quaker bill Sep 2012 #186

Soylent chomping idiocracy JVS Sep 2012 #68

Okay... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #69

Sorry, I should have said that I expect us to descend into a world like depicted in Idiocracy but... JVS Sep 2012 #91

well... I DO like a good burrito... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #95

"...Now with more MOLECULES!" porphyrian Sep 2012 #100

Then I am starting the noble band of technical guerillas a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #110

As opposed to, you know, regular literacy? XemaSab Sep 2012 #112

That was a fun thread... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #114

I'm good with that. porphyrian Sep 2012 #115

We'll have to have someone write up our guerilla's "little red book" a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #116

as long as we have electrolytes for the plants we will be fine KurtNYC Sep 2012 #202

It's what plants crave. porphyrian Sep 2012 #269

For those of you who freak at grid crash ruffburr Sep 2012 #81

If grid crash happens a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #84

Easy. randome Sep 2012 #86

I can grok that... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #87

I think this betrays a simpler explanation Major Nikon Sep 2012 #175

Makes sense a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #221

"Malcontents" isn't always pejorative Major Nikon Sep 2012 #225

Low tech living is about as far from my utopia is it is possible to get... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #232

This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #254

This topic, through a side door, floated up on another discussion group... Eleanors38 Sep 2012 #94

All good points. a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #96

I lived through the rolling blackouts, I'll pass on grid crash, I hate to say it but I wutang77 Sep 2012 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #255

People who want that tend to forget/ignore something. Ready4Change Sep 2012 #121

In/on other threads, I've mentioned solutions to these problems... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #125

Something for you to consider, MadHound Sep 2012 #123

Good to hear from you! a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #126

Certainly we can curtail grid crash with a little work, MadHound Sep 2012 #129

At this point, the movement to re-build the grid makes the big oil/Ag/etc. obsolete... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #130

What percentage of the electricity produced in this country is done by green energy? MadHound Sep 2012 #134

and we can make switch over pretty easily, as I've posted in this and other threads a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #135

I agree with you, technically we can make the sort of switch-over you are talking about, MadHound Sep 2012 #152

hmmm... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #154

A wind turbine, of any size, is not going to go on a standard quarter acre urban home site, MadHound Sep 2012 #162

a solar furnace is a LOT cheaper and more robust than a PV system... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #164

I agree with you. It would take a huge uprising Mojorabbit Sep 2012 #147

This is sort of why I'm working with local people... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #149

if it happens, it won't be from necessity, but because of politics. we are supposedly running HiPointDem Sep 2012 #174

Why is this presented as a certain event? WinkyDink Sep 2012 #132

Okay... I'm confused... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #133

I do not want grid-crash. However, I was born in 1941 on one of those low energy, low tech farms jwirr Sep 2012 #136

the question at hand is... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #137

I don't think that is even a possibility as it was not that way even back then. Until recently the jwirr Sep 2012 #150

I can see some of that a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #151

Now there I can help you. I remember the house parties that my parents went to and sometimes jwirr Sep 2012 #156

and that's where *I* can help YOU... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #157

That is great. You are really making a difference when you do something like that - especially the jwirr Sep 2012 #237

SHHHH!!! You'll blow my cover! a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #240

Okay - I like that too. jwirr Sep 2012 #279

My wife says - at times - that I'm studying for two roles a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #282

LOL jwirr Sep 2012 #291

hey... I've got the specs and the belly a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #292

The implications of your question.. sendero Sep 2012 #144

actually, to me, it sounds like more than a fair number want gridcrash... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #145

a lot of people who never actually lived on a farm or had to make a living from one. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #153

bringing in a crop is hard work... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #155

i know (knew) lots of people who did it low tech, and they're unanimously glad it's over. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #158

my wife says "yup, that works" a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #159

i'd be happy with roughly the life of a middle class person in the 50s. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #163

Only if I can hook up wtih the old school a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #167

:>) HiPointDem Sep 2012 #170

to add on... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #171

I lived off grid for 12 mos last year. It wasn't necessarily low tech. FedUpWithIt All Sep 2012 #168

and when did I say off the grid was low tech? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #169

You accused ME of desiring a low tech lifestyle FedUpWithIt All Sep 2012 #183

I never said that I wanted a low tech life style... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #185

Mayan Calendar? Nostradamus? Gridcrash? Y2K? wtmusic Sep 2012 #172

nah... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #173

I want a country of local food farms.... MrMickeysMom Sep 2012 #179

With the ongoing drought in the Midwest, I think we may be seeing at least some return of local a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #189

Ha-Ha... you didn't know... MrMickeysMom Sep 2012 #199

Not a problem... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #200

kick & rec but NO grid crash upi402 Sep 2012 #182

yeah... I'd like to avoid the whole thing... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #197

I have no problem with that. Marrah_G Sep 2012 #187

I don't expect any joy and/or happiness to come out of a Gridcrash... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #188

I absolutely know it will be hard work Marrah_G Sep 2012 #193

If that's your thing... go for it. a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #196

I think there can be a mix of tech Marrah_G Sep 2012 #216

Overly simplistic bianary thinking. 99Forever Sep 2012 #203

Oh? Please, say on... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #205

Ahhh yes... 99Forever Sep 2012 #207

As you've accused me of binary thinking... perhaps you'd care to show your evidence? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #208

"Accused?" 99Forever Sep 2012 #209

If it's a problem imagining how we can continue our current power structure... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #210

There's many people already... 99Forever Sep 2012 #213

These reasons are why I still support the Occupy movement a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #217

I'd like to see the implementation of this idea: kentauros Sep 2012 #212

I love it when you talk dirty... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #218

So sez the Thread Dominator kentauros Sep 2012 #223

Thank you, thank you! a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #230

Well, let us know how it works out! kentauros Sep 2012 #266

I have - with the help of my wife - possibly found a flaw with the lights... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #267

Build a Terminator scarecrow. kentauros Sep 2012 #299

I think my neighbors might mind something that targets people... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #300

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I've got one room in the attic that seems to pulse purple, then green a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #304

Pulse at the same time with yellow and then orange, kentauros Sep 2012 #310

nah... the purple and green is better than a burglar alarm... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #312

Oh, I thought it had more to do kentauros Sep 2012 #314

nope... I'm kind of boring in that regard a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #317

You probably know about this site: kentauros Sep 2012 #320

I know that site quite well... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #321

I'd like to cut back on the books I have, kentauros Sep 2012 #324

we stopped counting at 15,000 a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #325

No philosophy, huh? kentauros Sep 2012 #326

hmmm... could make reading and insulation a mutually exclusive thing. a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #327

That's cool :) kentauros Sep 2012 #328

hmmm... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #330

Seems rather minimal on their part. kentauros Sep 2012 #333

eh... the didn't want to cover the books... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #336

most pot growers all ready know about this..... madrchsod Sep 2012 #257

Okay, kentauros Sep 2012 #260

Rural folks don't Tsiyu Sep 2012 #214

is there a point to your statement? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #220

No Tsiyu Sep 2012 #222

so, then... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #229

You know, I read a great many of your replies in this thread before I posted Tsiyu Sep 2012 #239

The delay is cool... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #243

Hoping for gridcash here. The Midway Rebel Sep 2012 #233

gerbster? n/t a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #234

After a month of eating cockroaches, you will be begging for gerbster. The Midway Rebel Sep 2012 #235

Hell... I'm pushing for BarterTown with good medical benefits, food a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #236

can't we have a mix of both like we do now? snooper2 Sep 2012 #238

**I** think we can... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #241

This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #251

for your baby chicks... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #263

Not the country quaker bill Sep 2012 #264

Gridcrash? Ignoranuses! Instead of a crash why not advocate for smart grid? We could put a bunch lonestarnot Sep 2012 #270

that's kind of what I'm advocating... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #272

Good. lonestarnot Sep 2012 #274

It doesn't really matter who wants it or who doesn't GliderGuider Sep 2012 #277

ah... the wishes and dreams bit... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #285

I have no problem whatsoever with math. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #287

in that case... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #288

Kunstler is a funny guy. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #289

thank you for the book suggestions... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #290

Pretty much our level of civilization is directly correlated with the amount of energy 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #281

pretty much... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #286

If that's what you want drthais Sep 2012 #329

I think you misread my interest a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #331