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DFW

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43. Two other pledges:
Sat Sep 12, 2020, 01:09 PM
Sep 2020

The pledge not to believe Fox lies:

I pledge no credence to the bag
Of lies Fox tells to America
And to the injustice, for which it stands,
One station, shunned by God, indefensible,
With Hannity, disgusting for all.

As for that other one that kids in the States recite in public schools: When my elder daughter took her semester "abroad," she chose to go to the USA, to our local public high school in Dallas. She had never been to school in English before, or been in an American school. To make sure she didn't have too big a culture shock, I went with her and stayed for the first four days. After a few days, I asked her if she was adjusting. She said yeah, but it was REALLY different from what she was used to in Germany. I said that was to be expected, but was there anything in particular?

She said, yes, the ritual chanting they did every morning was really strange. RITUAL CHANTING? In a PUBLIC school? She said, yes, like Buddhists she had seen on TV. I couldn't believe it. I asked her to describe it. She said they all stood up and started chanting in unison like zombies. I asked what they were chanting. She said it started out with "I spread the peaches," and she couldn't make out the rest, as they all mumbled it incoherently. Now I was really confused. They all stood up and started chanting "I spread the peaches???" Is that all they did? She said pretty much. Oh, yeah, and they all put their right hands on their chests while they did it.

Oh. NOW I got it. I asked if they might be saying, "I pledge allegiance?" She said, "I don't know. What does THAT mean?" Her conversational English was good, but you just don't use the words "pledge" or "allegiance" in normal everyday conversation. So she just heard words that she did know. Ergo: I spread the peaches.

You have to understand that ever since the Nazis were defeated, Germans have disdained extremist displays of patriotism, remembering what it got them last time. Anything like that would be the LAST thing to expect in a German school. So, my daughter hadn't the slightest clue what was going on. After I explained it to her, she still wondered. "Doesn't everyone already know what country they're in, or where they're from?"

Forcing kids to say the pledge every day in school may seem like a given to us, but for someone who grew up elsewhere, it seems like something else entirely. The fact that the other kids mumbled the pledge in such boredom that an outsider couldn't even make out most of the words is evidence enough how little importance they attach to it.

First grade? TreasonousBastard Sep 2020 #1
Me too! I was 6 years old then, in 1955... abqtommy Sep 2020 #12
Same ananda Sep 2020 #25
Yup. 2naSalit Sep 2020 #13
Same for me. MoonRiver Sep 2020 #39
Before the under god was put in. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2020 #2
That was in 1954, and I suspect the nuns were worried that it wasn't Catholic Jesus they meant... TreasonousBastard Sep 2020 #7
I was in second grade Mme. Defarge Sep 2020 #9
Me too-- I remember a certain amount of screaming from Jews and Catholics in NYC at the time... TreasonousBastard Sep 2020 #11
No. And I think you are assuming something about the nuns that isn't true. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2020 #10
My bad wording. The Founders weren't thinking specifically about American Catholics, but about... TreasonousBastard Sep 2020 #18
Right. And that was EXACTLY why the nuns understood PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2020 #20
Yeah, but coins had it since the Civil War and we eventually put it everywhere thanks to ... TreasonousBastard Sep 2020 #22
I agree with you about the problems of a state religion. PETRUS Sep 2020 #23
True enough. Just one less reason for it, and it does reduce internal strife a little. TreasonousBastard Sep 2020 #26
Pre School. dewsgirl Sep 2020 #3
My Mom had a home movie of me at age 5 redstatebluegirl Sep 2020 #4
I went to Catholic School... stillcool Sep 2020 #5
LOL leftieNanner Sep 2020 #6
First grade flor-de-jasmim Sep 2020 #8
School ritual, 1-12 Chainfire Sep 2020 #14
Before I started kindergarten in 1952. I had a plaque with the old wording on it. rzemanfl Sep 2020 #15
Kindergarten. GoCubsGo Sep 2020 #16
Ha! Kitchari Sep 2020 #19
Before the words were added. madamesilverspurs Sep 2020 #17
Twitter reply: Rhiannon12866 Sep 2020 #21
God who knows? MyNameGoesHere Sep 2020 #24
Kindergarden, Wellstone ruled Sep 2020 #27
I have older siblings. I'm the baby. So before I started school. Solly Mack Sep 2020 #28
I never understood pledging allegiance to the flag. It's a piece of colored cloth, right? Klaralven Sep 2020 #29
ATM I don't recall a time I didn't know it... WePurrsevere Sep 2020 #30
First or second grade? My nieces kids are here and they say they learned in Kindergarten lettucebe Sep 2020 #31
First grade, 1960 KewlKat Sep 2020 #32
must have been first grade or earlier Demovictory9 Sep 2020 #33
1959-60. maveric Sep 2020 #34
First grade I think. cwydro Sep 2020 #35
Kindergarten or First Grade. Don't remember exactly Golden Raisin Sep 2020 #36
I went to NYC public schools Mossfern Sep 2020 #41
Kindergarten Wicked Blue Sep 2020 #37
I believe it was bluestarone Sep 2020 #38
First grade bikebloke Sep 2020 #40
I ignored it in school, didn't stand. Usually I was reading, or drawing spaceships and computers. hunter Sep 2020 #42
Two other pledges: DFW Sep 2020 #43
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