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Tennessee Gal

(6,160 posts)
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 04:13 PM Sep 2012

I am stunned .... political discussion at work. I may be going to hell. [View all]

Let me qualify this by saying that this is a person who I do not know extremely well, but I do like her and admire what I do know about her. I have always thought she was a sweet person with a great heart. We have gotten along wonderfully and had fun together. This discussion was not confrontational. But I do hope I was able to open her eyes on a few topics. The ending was the stunner!

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A customer/acquaintance and I got into a political discussion this afternoon. It started innocently enough about the slowness of business. She made a remark that things were going to get worse after November. Of course I knew what she meant. I knew she was implying that if Obama won things would get worse. So, I began to ask her questions.

I asked why she thought things would get worse. She was sure that Obama was going to win, and if so, we are going to be taxed to death. She said that many new taxes are hidden in Obamacare, including a 1% tax on checks that are direct deposited from employers. (Did not bother to refute her on that because I did not have facts ready.) I told her that her fears were not legitimate about Obama taxing the middle and lower classes because Romney is the candidate that has a tax plan that would raise our taxes while reducing taxes for the wealthy.

She talked about how bad the economy is and blamed it on Obama. I asked if she knew how many jobs the country was losing per month at the end of the Bush administration. Of course she did not. I got on line and showed her that 800,000 jobs per month were being lost when Bush left office. I asked if she knew if there has been growth in private sector jobs since Obama took office or is the country still losing jobs. She did not. I showed her the chart of the growth in private sector jobs under Obama. She said it must be government jobs because Obama has expanded the government. I said no, that Obama has not expanded the government and that the chart clearly said private sector. I asked if she had ever heard of the American Jobs Act. She said no. I explained the American Jobs Act and told her it has been blocked by Republicans in Congress. I told her about Republicans blocking the bill to create jobs for Veterans just last week.

She then shifted the subject to oil drilling. She said that this country needs to have more areas opened to oil drilling. I said that under Obama the rate of oil production has increased. She was aghast. I said I could show her, but she didn't want me to. She asked why he didn't approve the Keystone Pipeline. I told her that he is in favor of it, but wanted to wait for more environmental studies and that the oil was to be exported from it anyway.

I told her she watches too much Fox News. She said she doesn't watch it . (I thought bullshit!) I told her that she is getting some bad information somewhere.

I asked if she thought Obama was born in America. She said probably. I asked if she thought Obama was a Muslim. She said probably not.

She then said that she could not vote for a Democrat because of abortion and gay marriage. She said that Democrats are pro-abortion. I said no one is pro-abortion and that most Democrats are pro-choice, meaning that the government should stay out of the decision to have an abortion. I said that I am pro-choice, but I am also pro-life because I personally am against abortion, but think that Democratic policies are much more compassionate when it comes to taking care of children. I left the gay marriage comment alone.

The stunner came when she said that she did not like Romney, but would be voting for him because she wanted to be able to face God in heaven and say that she had voted in the way He wanted her to vote - against abortion - for Republicans.

I said that I am a Christian and would vote for Democrats precisely for the same reason. I can rest easy believing that I can face God and say I voted with a clear conscience for the Party that shows compassion for the needy and infirm the way Jesus did.

I think she was stunned to have someone of faith like me take just the opposite position she does on political matters with facts and because of compassion and conscience.

I ended it by telling her that I am a Christian and I am a Liberal because I am a Christian and we would just have to leave it at that.

I think we parted ways still friends.

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and that's the way political discussions should be! renate Sep 2012 #1
Boy, you're GOOD! gateley Sep 2012 #2
+1. You handled her with gentleness and facts. nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #36
+1.nt Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #76
I would have mentioned that she has no right to discuss the economic condition of the sinkingfeeling Sep 2012 #3
I could have done that, but thought I might get the point Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #7
Someone posted here (on DU) not long ago... kag Sep 2012 #129
Thanks for the FABULOUS job you did, elleng Sep 2012 #4
Good for you. If you talk to her again, ask her how she feels about Stericycle and Romney making $$ progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #5
Actually, business is slow, but steady. Some new hiring lately. Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #12
Every other form of killing is acceptable and patriotic orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #6
Yes. Repubs want war against everyone and want to starve the poor. But as long as they SAY they are anneboleyn Sep 2012 #63
I don't know how Romney and RepubliCONS can call themselves Christian fasttense Sep 2012 #115
I think you presented the case well. The only thing I would like to know how she feels is if she still_one Sep 2012 #8
For future reference: Keystone Pipeline is to ship Canadian oil to countries other than the USA... rfranklin Sep 2012 #9
Thank you for that clarification. I will save the info. nt Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #14
Great Job Sekhmets Daughter Sep 2012 #49
Thanks, will keep that info. nt Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #50
and you can also point out Mnpaul Sep 2012 #110
Good on you. renie408 Sep 2012 #10
She actually was not pushy. She was cordial and it was a good discussion. Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #30
She wants to make HER religious view of the world mandatory for the rest of us... renie408 Sep 2012 #37
Good start. JoePhilly Sep 2012 #11
I salute your bravery and your patience Tsiyu Sep 2012 #13
I used to not be so patient. I used to go ballistic. Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #15
I've gotten a little better myself, but I still couldn't do what you did Tsiyu Sep 2012 #18
You did a beautiful job. Demoiselle Sep 2012 #16
Well handled! Rider3 Sep 2012 #17
Nicely done, thanks for not letting the bullshit stand unchallenged. Scuba Sep 2012 #19
You should have told her about... slor Sep 2012 #20
Obama "probably" born in U.S. and "probably not" a Muslim NICO9000 Sep 2012 #21
Yes, I noticed those "probably" inserts. She didn't have it in her to say Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #53
You did a great job. Ilsa Sep 2012 #22
Oddly enough though I do the same... In regards to the abortion issue Xyzse Sep 2012 #23
If you get to talk to her again tell her about Romney and Stericyle lunatica Sep 2012 #24
You should tell her Romney was pro-choice when he was Governor of Mass NYtoBush-Drop Dead Sep 2012 #25
I also admire your fortitude and SheilaT Sep 2012 #26
There is a huge difference between being pro-choice and being pro-abortion MiniMe Sep 2012 #27
Nice job treestar Sep 2012 #28
Couldn't agree more. Not Sure Sep 2012 #40
The 1 % tax on direct depsits is BS. Check snopes. trof Sep 2012 #29
As I said, I did not have the facts at hand to refute that one. Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #55
Great job!! N_E_1 for Tennis Sep 2012 #31
Nicely done. Low-key. Chorophyll Sep 2012 #32
Props to you, Tennessee Gal! Cha Sep 2012 #33
WOW, I get into this conversation everyday... humbled_opinion Sep 2012 #34
in a perfect world maindawg Sep 2012 #45
my thoughts exactly northoftheborder Sep 2012 #88
Jesus knew all about rich people using their "faith" to try and get out of paying taxes Tigress DEM Sep 2012 #106
In reading this, MissNostalgia Sep 2012 #35
LOL! Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #57
Good job refuting all of that missinformation so effectively! DrewFlorida Sep 2012 #38
Fabulous!!!!! Tumbulu Sep 2012 #39
From one fellow Christian to another skeewee08 Sep 2012 #41
Whenever I think of what the person Christianity was founded on was really like, LittlestStar Sep 2012 #42
Don't be too hard on the OP's friend Wednesdays Sep 2012 #68
Well it was the utterly brainwashed notion that "god" wants his flock to be against abortion LittlestStar Sep 2012 #85
Email: Obama to Impose 1% Bank Transaction Tax oberliner Sep 2012 #43
Thank you for that link. Will keep it for the future! nt Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #59
No problem oberliner Sep 2012 #78
Yes, I should have recommended she try some fact checking because Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #80
the robin hood tax mopinko Sep 2012 #84
you really let us down tapermaker Sep 2012 #44
You are stoned? At work? jtuck004 Sep 2012 #46
I would say she's getting it from her church friends. nt ellisonz Sep 2012 #47
Bravo! Tennessee Gal ANOIS Sep 2012 #48
well done proud patriot Sep 2012 #51
If you see her again bongbong Sep 2012 #52
Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #54
YaRRRggglLLLeee BLLLURRRggLaRRRtrrrggHHHllle WArrrg DERP Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #56
OMG I can't stop laughing at this BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #67
Why do I feel like I've just chugged a bottle of Nyquil? n/t gkhouston Sep 2012 #77
Have a nice life. nt Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #60
PLEASE, PLEEEEZE leave this post alone. I beg you. Gabi Hayes Sep 2012 #62
Someone alerted on it and it is gone. It wasn't me, although I did think about it. nt Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #64
We can still tee off in this subthread ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #70
Bravo! bluemarkers Sep 2012 #58
Could remind her that US Catholic bishops slammed Ryan's budget for brutalizing the poor anneboleyn Sep 2012 #61
Yes, that is one I will try to remember, as well as the Nuns on the Bus! nt Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #65
Hey Tennessee DonRedwood Sep 2012 #66
Oh no, honey. Your coworker might be going to hell LaydeeBug Sep 2012 #69
Upon reflection since leaving work, more of the conversation is coming back to me. Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #71
You covered the waterfront pretty well.... Doc Holliday Sep 2012 #79
Yes, the liar point is a good one especially in this election cycle. Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #81
to add azureblue Sep 2012 #92
Excellent points and thank you! nt Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #94
Bravo! TuxedoKat Sep 2012 #132
your handling of that discussion shireen Sep 2012 #72
you're the kind of Christian that Gandhi would like BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2012 #73
Nice work! crispini Sep 2012 #74
Thank you all for the positive posts! I appreciate your support. Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #75
I FORGOT THE BEST PART! I sold her more than $500 worth of product after this discussion! Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #82
Wow! mikki35 Sep 2012 #83
Usually I think of what I should have said later on, as you say. Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #87
I, too, am a liberal BECAUSE I am a Christian. smackd Sep 2012 #86
Thank you for posting and welcome to DU. Please post more often. Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #90
Exactly. smackd Sep 2012 #93
Welcome to DU! pamela Sep 2012 #105
I get this (similar interactions) every day at work!! hue Sep 2012 #89
Thanks for that post. speedoo Sep 2012 #91
Christian and a Liberal .. Love it! FunMe Sep 2012 #95
That is absolutely fantastic! Thanks for posting it! Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #96
You should have asked her: Loudestlib Sep 2012 #97
Hell doesn't exist. OnyxCollie Sep 2012 #98
Another way to look at it is to make the point that if Romeny is elected Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #101
Yours is the "duck" model... calm on the water... MrMickeysMom Sep 2012 #99
Your points on abortion are good ones. Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #100
on abortions azureblue Sep 2012 #112
Why I post on news.yahoo.com's comment section - because of the abysmal ignorance progree Sep 2012 #102
Excellent information. Bookmarked the threads. Thanks. nt Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #116
Well done, don't be offensive, but firmly show them they cannot take for granted BlueStreak Sep 2012 #103
Thank you. DeSwiss Sep 2012 #104
Hopefully you put a little pin hole in her bubble. . B Calm Sep 2012 #107
You did a wonderful thing! RainDog Sep 2012 #108
You did a FANTASTIC job! Facts are wonderful things sometimes! One request: calimary Sep 2012 #109
Here is a wealth of information: Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #117
That's a Fort Knox of information! That's a wrongney's secret book-keeping of information! calimary Sep 2012 #134
That's the best possible approach with a low-info voter Zambero Sep 2012 #111
Awesome. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #113
Wow, I've been dying to have one of those coversations! ermasdaughter Sep 2012 #114
It has occurred to me that should I get the chance it might be effective Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #118
I consider myself... GTurck Sep 2012 #119
Thank you very much for the compliment! Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #120
IMO Mr Dixon Sep 2012 #121
hell mgardener Sep 2012 #122
I know. I can't imagine living in such a fantasy world as the person I Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #123
she'll probably not vote, now msedano Sep 2012 #124
I don't think she fired the company I work for. Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #126
I once lost a friend at work when she was going on about "pro abortion" people, maddiemom Sep 2012 #125
Must not have been a very strong Democrat or Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #127
I run into the "I don't want to go to hell" reason a lot. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #128
This was my first time to be faced with that particular one. Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #130
TIME FOR THE CHURCHES TO START PAYING TAXES! maddiemom Sep 2012 #136
Not every church preaches politics from the pulpit. Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #137
Excellent. If you talk with her again ask her LibDemAlways Sep 2012 #131
what links did you show her Glaisne Sep 2012 #133
I just googled private sector job growth and came up with one to show her. Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #135
Update, and yes this is a kick. Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #138
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