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orleans

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Sun Oct 18, 2020, 11:49 AM Oct 2020

the hoarse whisperer nails it! (and kirstie alley is an idiot!) [View all]

Last edited Sun Oct 18, 2020, 12:56 PM - Edit history (1)




"A lot of people are going to hate this and immediately reject it but hear me out. The biggest mistake Democrats have made for years and years is being too nice. We have cared far too much about politeness and decorum. We have treated a bloodsport like it was a bridge game.

Since at least when Obama took office (but more like the past forty years), we on the left and our elected representatives have clung to a suicidal fiction that ‘going high’ would save us. Subconsciously, it is pleasing, at least partially, because it is self-inflating.

“We are better than that! We would never stoop to the lows of those people!” While the right endlessly works to personally destroy people on the left, we’ve clung to the mantra of “attacking ideas not people” as if it was a bible verse.

And that excessive politeness - or insufficient harshness - extends all the way down through how we treat minor figures aligned with the right. People on cable news panels. Minor celebrities. Talking heads. We bitch about what they say but do little to diminish them.

Let’s take Kirstie Alley as just one example of the moment... Here’s an Alley tweet from yesterday. [pic of alley's tweet]

A lot of people will fire back about *what she said*. Very few will fire back *about her*. The former feels more polite. The latter feels so very uncivilized. Here is the problem: when you engage with someone’s opinions, you elevate them to being worthy of consideration.

By refusing to go directly after that person’s standing and worthiness of being listened to, we don’t stay above someone going low. We give them a free lift up to our level. Engaging with terrible ideas puts terrible people at the table.

While a whole lot of people are going to hate this: If we are not aggressively working to diminish the people working against us, we are helping them. If we aren’t going after them and their reputations personally, we are helping them.

In response to Alley’s post, we’re all going to do what we’re programmed to do: comment on the comment. “You like him because he’s not a politician?! Do you like pilots who have never flown?!” It’s a layup. It’s practically reflex at this point.

All that does though is get Alley’s name to trend for a day and then leave her to come back a month from now with some new stupid or harmful thing.

Kirstie Alley has no political expertise. She has little education past high school - about as much as Melania. She is in two cults. MAGA and Scientology. She reportedly sold her $12 million L.A. mansion to move near Scientology’s Florida headquarters.

Kirstie Alley is an ignorant, rich, gullible white woman with no credentials that merit being listened to or respected. She endorses both a harmful, abusive cult in Scientology and a racist, abusive cult in MAGA.

Kirstie Alley is an idiot. An idiot okay with racism. She is a stupid person who has not endeavored to become any smarter. She is a the epitome of the privilege of both whiteness and wealth. The problem isn’t Kirstie Alley’s words. The problem is Kirstie Alley.

And some version of this is the case for every right wing asshat who poisons the discourse. And we should focus on that. The problem *is* the person not their latest words. “Criticize the ideas not the person” is like saying “Treat the symptoms not the cause.”

As much as people will hate this, we have allowed every manner of terrible person to get to the table with us by “criticizing ideas not people.” We need to stand up in the cocktail party, make the record scratch, and say “THAT PERSON IS AN ASSHOLE. GET THEM OUT OF HERE.”

I’m rambling and I need another coffee but I’ll leave with this: We need to aggressively diminish harmful people personally to reduce or take away their seat at the table. The right is terrified of ‘cancel culture’ because they’re worried we might have learned that... "

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No argument here. Baitball Blogger Oct 2020 #1
Same here. I'm sick of it. FoxNewsSucks Oct 2020 #11
Biden said he's the transition president. Baitball Blogger Oct 2020 #12
This is the analogy I always use... Catch2.2 Oct 2020 #22
Clearly the hoarse whisperer has never played bridge lol unblock Oct 2020 #2
Wish you edited it and place extra space between paragraphs. Hard for me to read question everything Oct 2020 #3
Nope, very hard for me to read as well...... a kennedy Oct 2020 #5
sorry. i just fixed it. n/t orleans Oct 2020 #7
Thank you..... a kennedy Oct 2020 #10
sorry. i put the 16 tweets into their own paragraphs. hopefully this is better. n/t orleans Oct 2020 #6
Thank you! question everything Oct 2020 #24
Great post. dalton99a Oct 2020 #4
Correct. Honesty, integrity, empathy and charity are weaknesses to Republicans.. Under The Radar Oct 2020 #8
This implies the democrats control the conversation zipplewrath Oct 2020 #9
YES! We need a SHOCK AND AWE, SCORCHED EARTH policy of BENEVOLENCE. First up being IRON CLAD laws BamaRefugee Oct 2020 #13
A reckoning is coming and desperately needed. No more we go high shit. And take the assault rifles Pepsidog Oct 2020 #14
"We go high" was a nice aphorism but against Republicans, it's like bringing a feather duster to a BamaRefugee Oct 2020 #16
I do happen to agree with you judesedit Oct 2020 #15
But I also think it depends on the person. It is perplexing and very hard to judesedit Oct 2020 #18
And I'm not talking about Kirstie. I was never a fan. judesedit Oct 2020 #20
Kristie who?? AZ8theist Oct 2020 #17
"too nice" ... YES!! Absofuckinglutely right. ❣️❣️❣️ live love laugh Oct 2020 #19
This is the analogy I always use.... Catch2.2 Oct 2020 #21
Social media has given every asshole on the planet a seat at the table. KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2020 #23
every loud mouth on a soap box does not deserve a platform. mopinko Oct 2020 #25
Kicking for relevant exposure AKwannabe Dec 2022 #26
It was true about Kirstie Alley in 2020, and it's true now. And she's dead. GoneOffShore Dec 2022 #27
Kick The Grand Illuminist Dec 2022 #28
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