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Caliman73

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64. You think this is a "gift horse"?

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Sun Oct 18, 2020, 05:24 PM

Oct 2020

It is more like the blankets the US Army "gifted" Native Americans or the Wooden Horse that the Greeks gifted the Trojans.

If they realized the price they would pay, they would meet the Democrats at the mid point between what the House offered and Minuchin's counter. Trump even wants a bigger stimulus because he sees the writing on the wall.

What you have from McConnell is a ploy to try to blame the situation on the Democrats. When we refuse the stinking pile of shit that is his offer, he will run crying to the media to say how horrible we are. He is offering less than 25% of what the Democrats are asking and what the Democrats are asking is less than the 3 to 4 Trillion that economists say we need to keep the country from sinking.

I get the urgency and desperation of people who are running out of funds. McConnell does too. However, he is counting on the desperation of people being the leverage that pushes Democrats to accept a shitty deal, and pressure from people to force the Democrats to "act responsibly.

That is why Pelosi went after Blitzer last week. The media presents it as Democrats not being willing to work with Republicans rather than the reality that Republicans are proposing garbage.

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If I and my family were really dependent on a stimulus check I would be angry at both parties [View all] question everything Oct 2020 OP

Would you read and think less if you were dependent on stimulus? we can do it Oct 2020 #1

I don't need money to read and to think question everything Oct 2020 #3

Exactly. So why would you blame democrats as well? we can do it Oct 2020 #6

The Dems in the House passed a comprehensive stimulus bill in May and it's sat on... brush Oct 2020 #24

Thank you. Enough both-siderism FFS. we can do it Oct 2020 #45

You do realize you're doing the both-siderism in blaming the Dems as well when...I brush Oct 2020 #47

Its not me it's the person I replied to. we can do it Oct 2020 #48

Yeah, sure. I didn't blame on both sides. You did. That's the definition of both-siderism. brush Oct 2020 #52

How about a little reading for comprehension. we can do it Oct 2020 #59

Are you dense? You wrote: "I would think that both are playing games..." brush Oct 2020 #66

I'm not the dense one. Try looking at who you're ranting at. we can do it Oct 2020 #67

You can't deny what you wrote. Now I'm done with your silliness. brush Oct 2020 #68

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😴😂😴 we can do it Oct 2020 #69

I am unemployed and unhappy with both sides. Although I fault the GOP more. Get something Demsrule86 Oct 2020 #23

The house has passed hundreds of bills that Mcturtle sits on. we can do it Oct 2020 #46

You negotiate smaller bills and see what is possible. We really need to try. Demsrule86 Oct 2020 #72

Every time they offer a smaller bill Bettie Oct 2020 #81

McConnell couldn't care less if you fuck off and die durablend Oct 2020 #62

I don't appreciate your tone. I know McConnell doesn't care if I die or fuck off or what have Demsrule86 Oct 2020 #71

McConnell is hoping to disuade people from voting, especially those hurting. TheBlackAdder Oct 2020 #65

I don't doubt it...but we should make sure that we come up with a plan that does nothing but Demsrule86 Oct 2020 #70

Two votes by congress passed and went to the Senate and stopped... Historic NY Oct 2020 #2

From our own LBN question everything Oct 2020 #12

Its the first movement the turtle is making.... Historic NY Oct 2020 #25

Get back to us whenever the Senate acutally passes something. dawg Oct 2020 #33

No one's buying it kcr Oct 2020 #73

You'd be what Mitch McConnell calls... lame54 Oct 2020 #4

Or a sucker BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #9

+1 Lucinda Oct 2020 #10

It can't be approved with the repuke senate Javaman Oct 2020 #5

Thank you. we can do it Oct 2020 #7

Read my response, 12, above question everything Oct 2020 #13

And you believe that McConnell is acting in good faith? Based on what? Caliman73 Oct 2020 #34

No I don't. But the good old saying about a gift and a horse question everything Oct 2020 #55

You think this is a "gift horse"? Caliman73 Oct 2020 #64

haven't you learned anything by now about the rebukes... Javaman Oct 2020 #74

I do not say both sides. If I were desperate and poor I might have. It is too bad that so many question everything Oct 2020 #75

wow, just wow... Javaman Oct 2020 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author question everything Oct 2020 #84

Life was like that before Covid and not something a Democrat Under The Radar Oct 2020 #8

I would be angry at senate republicans, who back on 2/5, could have rid us of the orange menace. CrispyQ Oct 2020 #11

You are a Democrat...me too. In 18, we took seats in Republican areas and I don't think they may be Demsrule86 Oct 2020 #40

If the headlines kept on reading "Dems/GOP spar over relief bill" rather pepperbear Oct 2020 #14

Read my response, 12, above question everything Oct 2020 #17

Unfortunately many folks believe that "both sides" nonsense. PTWB Oct 2020 #15

I don't believe that but I think unemployment issues could have been separated. I heard Demsrule86 Oct 2020 #28

I doubt the differences are as simple as the amount karynnj Oct 2020 #16

Passing a bill with money for states and schools and actual small business onecaliberal Oct 2020 #22

If a bill is altered in one chamber, it has to go back to the original chamber for approval. Caliman73 Oct 2020 #36

True, but the alternative is to take the Senate passed bill and pass it in the House karynnj Oct 2020 #49

Democrats passed a great bill in May, so no. onecaliberal Oct 2020 #18

So that's it? We've done our deed and now we don't give a damn? question everything Oct 2020 #76

And extend UI. It ends Dec 26 then anyone starting in March is off the roll as winter hits, covid LizBeth Oct 2020 #19

That would be us...we will starve. Unemployment is only enough to just make it so we have Demsrule86 Oct 2020 #29

Basically agree. At least for those unemployed, with no enhance benefits since July 31, bet they'd Hoyt Oct 2020 #20

I would take it and get down on my knees and thank God. Demsrule86 Oct 2020 #30

Exactly. Me too. Hoyt Oct 2020 #32

Man it is rough out there...and honestly I know states need money, and there are tax Demsrule86 Oct 2020 #38

Nope. I've been on unemployment since March, and am still on unemployment. stopbush Oct 2020 #31

Laid off in June NHDEMFORLIFE Oct 2020 #37

And how many have the ability to dip into retirement savings? question everything Oct 2020 #57

Really, well I can't make it until January and California has very generous unemployment. Demsrule86 Oct 2020 #39

Er, the top weekly UI benefit rate in CA is $450, with no added $ for dependents. stopbush Oct 2020 #43

Many no longer get unemployment benefits question everything Oct 2020 #56

1. The kGOP doesn't have votes in the senate no matter ***WHAT*** we do, 2. "later" depends on if we uponit7771 Oct 2020 #53

I get tired of clumping democrats in with everything the Republicans do. Vivienne235729 Oct 2020 #21

Oh, come on. The speaker has to come with a plan that she knows can pass the senate question everything Oct 2020 #77

It doesn't matter in the age of tribalism. They're going to do what they want to do. Vivienne235729 Oct 2020 #78

You need to be crystal clear about which party has blocked further stimulus checks. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2020 #26

I am in this situation and I know exactly who to blame JCMach1 Oct 2020 #27

Well i believe you are falling into bluestarone Oct 2020 #35

McConnel wantsto give YOU zero a week beachbumbob Oct 2020 #41

that's what the Republicans are hoping... stillcool Oct 2020 #42

McConnell wants you to die MoonlitKnight Oct 2020 #44

Since we are going into massive debt it should be worthwhile. I'm with Nancy on this. Boogiemack Oct 2020 #50

I'm sure there are many people thinking that right now. nt ooky Oct 2020 #51

I am in that situation and I blame the Repukes mvd Oct 2020 #54

May I ask how you manage, so far? question everything Oct 2020 #58

Often I don't mvd Oct 2020 #60

bOtH sIDeS Happy Hoosier Oct 2020 #61

One of the over 257 bills the Dems have passed in the house was a big stimulus package in May, Autumn Oct 2020 #63

We want less of the package to go to The 1% pwb Oct 2020 #80

Then you aren't paying attention. lagomorph777 Oct 2020 #82

Families need Trump and Mitch gone radius777 Oct 2020 #83