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26. What we call astrology is a bastardization of

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 07:49 AM

Oct 2020

ancient astronomy, according to some books I've read. It was largely about predicting certain geological events and climate trends over the time it takes Earth to go through its cycle of movements in relation to the constellations that surround us. That took about 36,000 years, divided by twelve sections with 3,000 years each.

The zodiac, with its twelve different signs, descends from this early science. The zodiac is a map that shows where Earth is in relation to the stars, not a chart that's related to people's birthdays and personality traits. We're in the Age of Aquarius now because we're in the area of that constellation. We will probably see certain trends related to Earth science during this age, but this won't be related to any horoscope having to do with birthdays and personality traits. Other people are a lot better at explaining all this than I am, I just tried to simplify it some.

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I guess someone needs to say it: astrology is in the same category as alchemy, palm reading [View all] Atticus Oct 2020 OP

So what's your sign? Deb Oct 2020 #1

I'm thinking... Hugin Oct 2020 #14

Fesces KatyMan Oct 2020 #17

I like that! Hopefully next month we'll be saying that Trump's astrological sign is Feces. Towlie Oct 2020 #108

Exit. lagomorph777 Oct 2020 #20

I used to be a Virgo, until I got Pisces. GoneOffShore Oct 2020 #103

"So what's your sign?" (says sign) "That figures, (sign) people never believe in astrology." Towlie Oct 2020 #107

'Slippery When Wet' zackymilly Oct 2020 #129

I just cast some bones, and man oh man are you gonna get it now! ret5hd Oct 2020 #2

I believe in tolerance on this because I've never heard astrology used to attack or otherwise harm hlthe2b Oct 2020 #3

An adult can believe in Santa Claus, and that's not going to harm anyone Silent3 Oct 2020 #35

Yes it is and extremely derisive. Shame on you hlthe2b Oct 2020 #37

What part of that exactly am I supposed to feel shame about? Silent3 Oct 2020 #39

.. hlthe2b Oct 2020 #40

Where did I call all others insane? Silent3 Oct 2020 #41

Well, there ya go again--tryin' to muddy up the discussion with facts and relevance! ---sigh--- nt Atticus Oct 2020 #47

Feel the same about anti-vaxers? nt USALiberal Oct 2020 #67

Poppycock!! PTWB Oct 2020 #60

My issue is with attacking other DUers for participating in a belief you (and I) do not share hlthe2b Oct 2020 #71

You're mistaken. PTWB Oct 2020 #76

Civil debate is not belittling nor calling those w beliefs/interests differing from yours "insane" hlthe2b Oct 2020 #77

He claims he did not. PTWB Oct 2020 #79

Insanity is based on a clinical definition, specific criteria & pattern of behavior--not a single hlthe2b Oct 2020 #83

So you do not think that someone who holds such views is insane? PTWB Oct 2020 #85

I am a clinician. I already told you how an insanity diagnosis is made. hlthe2b Oct 2020 #86

I see this often. PTWB Oct 2020 #87

Nor do they take patient's self-diagnoses--physical or mental-- as fact. hlthe2b Oct 2020 #88

Who would take self-diagnosis as fact? PTWB Oct 2020 #91

you, apparently. hlthe2b Oct 2020 #92

Nope, not me. I value the opinions of experts. PTWB Oct 2020 #98

Okay, hang on, this is important: snort Oct 2020 #111

True believers know the moon is made of green cheese. PTWB Oct 2020 #118

I'm a great believer at pointing and laughing at people who believe nonsense. GoneOffShore Oct 2020 #104

Can you believe it? PTWB Oct 2020 #106

Flat Earthers are another "harmless" belief flotsam Oct 2020 #114

+1 cwydro Oct 2020 #116

If someone tells you that they sincerely believe the earth is flat... PTWB Oct 2020 #119

I can honestly say that no one has never made such a statement to me. cwydro Oct 2020 #135

It seems to give them the opportunity PatSeg Oct 2020 #157

I think you've hit the nail on the head. cwydro Oct 2020 #158

I encountered it here at DU PatSeg Oct 2020 #160

Shame on YOU! MicaelS Oct 2020 #126

Tolerance of other's beliefs that do not harm others is a progessive value. I am a scientist, but I hlthe2b Oct 2020 #128

I agree with you rusty fender Oct 2020 #51

And scene. Well said. GoneOffShore Oct 2020 #101

Mahalo, hlthe2b! It does seem a litte Cha Oct 2020 #150

Sorry to have to say it, but astrology is just as anti-science crap as tRump crap. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2020 #4

Still fun though DeminPennswoods Oct 2020 #5

Fun for some, perhaps. PTWB Oct 2020 #64

Why not just put that forum on ignore? Siwsan Oct 2020 #6

+1 hlthe2b Oct 2020 #7

Good answer Kitchari Oct 2020 #19

Characterizing nonsense as "beliefs" does not elevate it to some sacred status. I criticize those Atticus Oct 2020 #24

I just don't understand the need. Their beliefs aren't harmful. trump* cultist's are. Siwsan Oct 2020 #25

I don't understand it either PatSeg Oct 2020 #34

There's nothing innocuous about charging real people real money to tell their futures. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2020 #73

Real people pay real money PatSeg Oct 2020 #93

Violent video games isn't much different than violent movies JonLP24 Oct 2020 #105

Oh, I'm not dissing video games in general PatSeg Oct 2020 #113

I like the open world games JonLP24 Oct 2020 #117

There you go PatSeg Oct 2020 #123

How is it "entertainment" if people actually think it works? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2020 #155

I want intelligent people on the DU! Nt USALiberal Oct 2020 #56

That's so generalizing and harsh! I'm actually a little shocked. Siwsan Oct 2020 #75

If you had an acquaintance who held illogical beliefs.. PTWB Oct 2020 #78

I think we're wandering a bit off the path, here Siwsan Oct 2020 #82

Flat Earthers ok? Anti-Vacs ok? Covid is a Hoax ok? Mind readers ok? USALiberal Oct 2020 #80

"---valid to them---"? Isn't that saying they are entitled to have their chosen set of Atticus Oct 2020 #62

And I believe they do have rights to their own beliefs - they're not maliciously impacting others. Siwsan Oct 2020 #68

"Their beliefs aren't harmful"? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2020 #72

I think you are digging way to far into this. I'm referring to the people on DU Siwsan Oct 2020 #74

You talk about them like they exist in a vacuum. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2020 #81

I'm talking about not being rude and insulting to fellow DUers Siwsan Oct 2020 #84

As long as we're just making assertions, neither does sanctimonious finger-wagging. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2020 #156

I hope that let's you feel better. Siwsan Oct 2020 #159

Lol! USALiberal Oct 2020 #55

I've notice there are several here who enjoy lecturing the rest of us. cwydro Oct 2020 #69

Because some people need something to be upset over. EllieBC Oct 2020 #124

We are of the same mindset Siwsan Oct 2020 #125

Well said, EllieBC. boom. Cha Oct 2020 #144

Yes, master bobnicewander Oct 2020 #8

lol... not really. Cha Oct 2020 #145

Are you talking about posts in General Discussion, or posts in the Astrology group? n/t sl8 Oct 2020 #9

It doesn't pick my pocket Cirque du So-What Oct 2020 #10

Can I get a... Hugin Oct 2020 #18

My three fav takes on the whole 'astrology, homeopathy, religion, psychic,' horseshit bandwagon: GoneOffShore Oct 2020 #11

These were terrific! Thanks for sharing. nt chowder66 Oct 2020 #94

Glad you enjoyed them. Here in France we're plagued with the homeopathy people. GoneOffShore Oct 2020 #97

I get that. I'm in California.nt chowder66 Oct 2020 #99

Well, at least you're close to lots of water. GoneOffShore Oct 2020 #100

lol. chowder66 Oct 2020 #102

I prefer belief systems that make me think (and laugh). Duncan Grant Oct 2020 #132

It's always interesting to me that English, Irish, Scottish, and Australian comedians have a better GoneOffShore Oct 2020 #133

Pyramid power is my favorite tale BSdetect Oct 2020 #12

Oh, yeah! Hugin Oct 2020 #16

Is this something that people -- here -- didn't realize? brooklynite Oct 2020 #13

Some posts appear regularly in general discussion so, apparently, yes. See the defensive posts Atticus Oct 2020 #43

"Defensive"? Oh because they don't Cha Oct 2020 #146

A "different belief system"? Uh, ok. I guess that is one way to describe it. Disingenuous, but Atticus Oct 2020 #147

you don't know what you're talking about Cha Oct 2020 #149

Where was all this righteous indignation when Christian's were being mocked for believing Atticus Oct 2020 #152

Of course you "stand by" attacking another Forum on DU. Cha Oct 2020 #153

That is a forum. As explained above, I did not attack it. I regret that you disagree. nt Atticus Oct 2020 #154

it's all pseudoscience. just ignore it. NRaleighLiberal Oct 2020 #15

Gravity is overrated too. panader0 Oct 2020 #21

Tides Are A Daily Prank ProfessorGAC Oct 2020 #142

I'm a Taurus so I don't believe in astrology... uriel1972 Oct 2020 #22

When my puppy dumps his food and water bowls over, I can predict how the day will go milestogo Oct 2020 #23

ahhh, EVERY day is a good day with a new puppy. hlthe2b Oct 2020 #27

What we call astrology is a bastardization of LuvNewcastle Oct 2020 #26

Astrology is usually based on the Zodiac as it was 130 BCE Klaralven Oct 2020 #28

there you go, bringing science and stuff uriel1972 Oct 2020 #29

Many people say Trump is the worst Gemini ever dalton99a Oct 2020 #30

Fun fact: most white collar criminals are Gemini soothsayer Oct 2020 #48

The stars and planets (other than earth) have zero effect on anyone's life Johnny2X2X Oct 2020 #31

buttery males O.o? uriel1972 Oct 2020 #32

But her emails. Johnny2X2X Oct 2020 #36

ah I understand now. uriel1972 Oct 2020 #38

Meteors, on the other hand, can really wreck your day... Klaralven Oct 2020 #33

Meteors, schmeteors! Silent3 Oct 2020 #53

It's all part of a continuum too Silent3 Oct 2020 #50

and Tarot eShirl Oct 2020 #42

I have fun with tarot cards sometimes... uriel1972 Oct 2020 #44

and some decks have amazing artwork eShirl Oct 2020 #45

yeah I have a few sets... uriel1972 Oct 2020 #46

Try ordering an Astrology profile from Astrodienst by Liz Greene Beringia Oct 2020 #49

Better yet, order two or more... Silent3 Oct 2020 #52

Why in the hell would anyone do this??? Nt USALiberal Oct 2020 #58

"Please throw away $65." Codeine Oct 2020 #89

Interesting take. 2naSalit Oct 2020 #54

Yeah, that's it. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2020 #57

LMFAO Casual User Oct 2020 #61

astrology is to astronomy uriel1972 Oct 2020 #63

Whatever. 2naSalit Oct 2020 #65

Bingo - And scene. GoneOffShore Oct 2020 #127

LOL, parody post I assume. Almost fooled me! nt USALiberal Oct 2020 #66

observing where the sun is astronomical observation eShirl Oct 2020 #110

You do know that astronomy and astrology aren't the same thing, right? PTWB Oct 2020 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author GoneOffShore Oct 2020 #130

Did you watch the entire sky? If not I suggest you do LanternWaste Oct 2020 #136

You're replying to the wrong person. PTWB Oct 2020 #138

I'm kinda glad Casual User Oct 2020 #59

The Whole Idea of Keeping Time Based... jayfish Oct 2020 #70

Calling Miss Cleo malaise Oct 2020 #90

We need a White House astrologer dalton99a Oct 2020 #112

Hehehehehhe malaise Oct 2020 #115

The only difference between a cult and a religion AnyFunctioningAdult Oct 2020 #95

I enjoy talking about karma jokingly, but unfortunately the universe... Silent3 Oct 2020 #120

Uh oh KatyMan Oct 2020 #96

Fresh new perspective you have here ornotna Oct 2020 #109

What? PTWB Oct 2020 #122

Lol. cwydro Oct 2020 #140

I just watched Hair for the first time the other night... lame54 Oct 2020 #131

I feel the same way about money. Worst cult EVER! hunter Oct 2020 #134

in a large complex society barter economics uriel1972 Oct 2020 #137

All you have to do is believe in it. hunter Oct 2020 #139

it's as real as borders and units of measurement uriel1972 Oct 2020 #141

Just because we can't imagine something doesn't mean it's impossible. hunter Oct 2020 #143

star trek tng's economy is based on being able uriel1972 Oct 2020 #151

Not going to crap on anyone's belief systems after all.. HipChick Oct 2020 #148