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Celerity

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63. I am American-born, London raised woman who now lives in Sweden for several years
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 11:46 AM
Oct 2020

I am half Swedish and half Bajan (Barbados)

I have written extensively, in great detail, for well over half a year on Sweden.

Sweden and the RW US framings of COVID are massively different, and there has been an insane amount of disinfo about Sweden pushed out there by so many sides (still is, especially on MSNBC, CNN, and even Fux news, albeit Fux spins it 180-degree opposite) , trying to us us as an example of why they are right and their opponents are wrong.

I will try to summarise quickly and not write pages. I can, if pressed, provide mountains of documentation to back up what I shall say.

1. Sweden NEVER had herd immunity as it goal to deal with COVID-19. This is the biggest disinfo angle shot out there in the US press, and I have debunked it so many times.

2. Sweden has a different level of government power versus the other Nordics in (and most all other Western nations) terms of what can be ordered by our government, The health authorities have far more legal control, barring new sets of laws passed (some have been, but were not in place when the peak was hitting).

3. Sweden's main tragedy with COVID-19 came from our elderly care system, which is run differently than the other Nordics. t is far more open, and far less professionally-staffed (a recent development due to brain drain from us to Denmark, Norway, Finland, Germany, etc). The workers we now have are far less competent and les trained when taken as a whole. The % of staffing by immigrants and refugees is vastly higher, as is our overall % of population, compared to the other Nordics. The immigrant/refugee populations here were the other main group devastated by COVID-19 (due to sociological and economic issues, especially crowed living arrangement and almost no history of innate social distancing, something Swedes natural do anyway, plus natives and multi generation immigrant Swedes live alone at vastly higher rates). Our numbers were inflated by the sheer higher %'s of impacted groups as well.

4. ALL the other Nordics, not just Sweden, for close to 5, 6 months, said do not wear masks. Norway and Denmark especially (they have changed a bit now, for trains, etc). This is almost never brought up, only Sweden is taken to the woodshed, as we had so many more deaths, again due to elderly and the immigrant sectors that I have documented so many times They did lockdown for a bit near the beginning, and we did not fully (there were and are many restrictions here, another myth is that we were wild west wide open, which is just patently untrue) lockdown. I do wish we had done the lockdown like Norway did.

5.Sweden is vastly more socially-distanced than the RW is in the US. That is a natural social thing here. The main groups who are not are the two that were ravaged (the elderly and the immigrant refugees groups). The RW in the US are disingenuous rotters when they try and say we are like them. we are NOTHING like them. We also are FAR more healthy in terms of most all age groups, especially the 50, 60 year olds and under cohorts. That is why our death count is so so low in the the younger (under 60 years of age) groups.

6. Our level of infection per million is actually fairly low, 48th (and dropping) in the world. Our death rate per million is now 16th, and dropping. Notice the huge difference. We have a huge percentage of deaths becuase it was so so high a percentage of infections in the oldest sectors, the ones most likely to die. It was mostly all front loaded, and has been vastly lowered. I saw an ex CDC head all other lying and saying we were still the worst in the EU and exploding. this was just a couple days ago, and it is a flat out lie.

7. The bottom half (over 5 million people) of our population has had to date, only 31 deaths total. That is for the entire under 40yo population. Zero schoolchildren's have died, only 2 under 20yo have died, a 4 yo and a 1 year old, both with massive comorbidity. This is despite the schools under high school (and some high schools) remaining open the whole time. 99% of all deaths have come from people 50 and older, 96% were 60yo and over over 60yo, 89% of all deaths were 70 years of age and older.

8. As for our economy, we did better than almost all of the EU in Q1, better than many in Q2 (again there was a tonne of disinfo initially sloshed around out there based off a faulty flash estimate from earlier), but still took a large hit, and will continue to take hits, although in 2021 we should recover a lot. We are extremely export-driven, with manufacturing making up a high percentage of that, so the global supply change seizing up hurt us, as did decreased demands for out exports. Our internal consumption was more robust.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/









front loaded deaths, vastly reduced rate of death now (due to our incredibly poor handing of the lederly care homes and scattered site housing)

https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa



last double digit death day was over 3 months ago (11 deaths on July 18th)




deaths were are are massively skewed to the oldest sectors



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$10,000 fines. My Pet Orangutan Oct 2020 #1
+1 mdelaguna Oct 2020 #12
I agree, but that's not a realistic amount FoxNewsSucks Oct 2020 #20
good idea but then it makes more police/citizen direct contact treestar Oct 2020 #27
The fine in my city is $9 BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #55
Biden can withhold certain federal funds from states that are not making an effort. Blue_true Oct 2020 #74
Jeez-zuz! Calm down. Surely you did not mention martial law!? No, I must have read that wrong. Solomon Oct 2020 #2
No dweller Oct 2020 #7
well if not martial law (obviously the final last resort if states simply flat out refuse to obey) Celerity Oct 2020 #14
How well do you know the US system? GulfCoast66 Oct 2020 #23
massive powers are unleashed is a POTUS declares a state of national emergency Celerity Oct 2020 #62
Are you sure about a National mask mandate? MichMan Oct 2020 #60
China was able to stop the virus with measures treestar Oct 2020 #30
It will take time and the vaccine will hopefully come online Sherman A1 Oct 2020 #3
K&R, on number 9 ... Red Don wont go away and will have a floor of 5% kGOP followers per county uponit7771 Oct 2020 #4
I get what you're saying Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2020 #5
so, basically you are saying CatWoman Oct 2020 #6
no, I want to know what can be done Celerity Oct 2020 #11
So you are basically saying that in regards to SARS-COV-2, it doesn't matter Blue_true Oct 2020 #67
stop putting words in my mouth Celerity Oct 2020 #69
Your lead paragraph said exactly that in so many words. Blue_true Oct 2020 #71
no it did not, I simply listed out what he will be up against, & it's disingenuous to accuse me Celerity Oct 2020 #75
He will have tools for dealing with the people that you mentioned. Blue_true Oct 2020 #77
Is he wrong? durablend Oct 2020 #33
Agreed. The minute biden is sworn in, Volaris Oct 2020 #79
He can do a few things right away. Mike 03 Oct 2020 #8
thank you for the reply Celerity Oct 2020 #19
Also...the lying to the American people will stop. we can make better, more informed decisions wiggs Oct 2020 #56
With just three weeks of all Americans wearing masks, even without distancing, the number of Doodley Oct 2020 #9
Dad and I went to Walmart a few days ago phylny Oct 2020 #24
This. durablend Oct 2020 #37
Wow, could I ask what state your dad lives in njhoneybadger Oct 2020 #40
His permanent address is in New York (Westchester County) phylny Oct 2020 #45
A smart marketing/public info blitz would make more people embarrassed not to wear masks. Just Biden Doodley Oct 2020 #51
I can help somewhat (I mean it can't hurt) but sadly Trump has weaponized masks. Statistical Oct 2020 #58
I don't agree with that 30% figure. I live in Georgia, and even in Republican strongholds, few Doodley Oct 2020 #64
At 93 you're playing with house money anyway BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #57
Herd immunity a mix of natural (stupid) and vaccine. Statistical Oct 2020 #10
I agree with you 1000% genxlib Oct 2020 #13
thanks for that, but what if tens of millions still refuse, and they have enough local and state Celerity Oct 2020 #16
That will only be true until things start to get ugly genxlib Oct 2020 #29
I so hope you are right, and I suspect you might be Celerity Oct 2020 #39
I agree that Covid-19 will continue to be endemic in the US Klaralven Oct 2020 #15
I think we're going to see huge disparities among different areas of the country. enough Oct 2020 #17
honest question.. Can a state ban entrance from a hotspot state? Or impose a mandatory quarantine Celerity Oct 2020 #25
NY has tried to do that. babylonsister Oct 2020 #48
Biden can make it a national policy and FORCE states to comply or face loss of federal monies, not beachbumbob Oct 2020 #18
What if the vermin Rethug state leaders challenge it, ram it up the food chain to a now 6-3 Celerity Oct 2020 #42
Trump basically ignored Supreme Court ruling that he didn't like, or Blue_true Oct 2020 #72
Lots of things can change when the Rule of Law comes back to a Wild West town. PubliusEnigma Oct 2020 #21
I so hope so! Celerity Oct 2020 #26
For one thing...no one will be holding super spreader rallies Rice4VP Oct 2020 #22
Do we know that for sure? What if Trump immediately starts up a Rebellion 2021/Retake America 2024 Celerity Oct 2020 #31
Hopefully he'll be too busy babylonsister Oct 2020 #49
The problem is that MF45 FoxNewsSucks Oct 2020 #28
With all the misconceptions about it flying around, herd immunity is achievable through vaccination. beastie boy Oct 2020 #32
You're right! Biden can't STOP Covid... NewDayOranges Oct 2020 #34
Bingo. nt Blue_true Oct 2020 #73
One honest question genxlib Oct 2020 #35
I hesitate to answer for someone BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #50
I am American-born, London raised woman who now lives in Sweden for several years Celerity Oct 2020 #63
The USA has to build a system that meets our constraint. Blue_true Oct 2020 #76
Yes, and I have never once said or inferred that the US should copy Sweden, or Norway or Denmark Celerity Oct 2020 #78
One thing is certain Chainfire Oct 2020 #36
Maybe so maybe not TexasProgresive Oct 2020 #38
As has been said on DU previously, Bayard Oct 2020 #41
+1 Celerity Oct 2020 #43
Well, we get tagged with it anyway, sooo MyNameGoesHere Oct 2020 #44
I prefer the term "empathy gulag" BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #52
Here's what you're missing: MineralMan Oct 2020 #46
Sorry for the misspell on martial, and I just got back online, we had a Celerity Oct 2020 #59
Not sure about the best way to get people on board to help get slow down Covid. But bluestarone Oct 2020 #47
There are some things he can do which have been mentioned BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #53
There are several ways Hestia Oct 2020 #54
The most important thing that President Biden can do is be a strong leader. marie999 Oct 2020 #61
There is plenty he can do Meowmee Oct 2020 #65
The big issue now is a total lack of federal coordination. Just by Blue_true Oct 2020 #66
Martial law? Do you not want Biden to make it past his first year? Initech Oct 2020 #68
what you just said is what I said, so many skipped the part following it Celerity Oct 2020 #70
Only a vaccine will end COVID Calculating Oct 2020 #80
Even my fellow Ohio dummies usually wear masks... Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #81
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