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In reply to the discussion: I do not see how, even with Biden as POTUS, the US will stop COVID-19 [View all]Celerity
(54,013 posts)I am half Swedish and half Bajan (Barbados)
I have written extensively, in great detail, for well over half a year on Sweden.
Sweden and the RW US framings of COVID are massively different, and there has been an insane amount of disinfo about Sweden pushed out there by so many sides (still is, especially on MSNBC, CNN, and even Fux news, albeit Fux spins it 180-degree opposite) , trying to us us as an example of why they are right and their opponents are wrong.
I will try to summarise quickly and not write pages. I can, if pressed, provide mountains of documentation to back up what I shall say.
1. Sweden NEVER had herd immunity as it goal to deal with COVID-19. This is the biggest disinfo angle shot out there in the US press, and I have debunked it so many times.
2. Sweden has a different level of government power versus the other Nordics in (and most all other Western nations) terms of what can be ordered by our government, The health authorities have far more legal control, barring new sets of laws passed (some have been, but were not in place when the peak was hitting).
3. Sweden's main tragedy with COVID-19 came from our elderly care system, which is run differently than the other Nordics. t is far more open, and far less professionally-staffed (a recent development due to brain drain from us to Denmark, Norway, Finland, Germany, etc). The workers we now have are far less competent and les trained when taken as a whole. The % of staffing by immigrants and refugees is vastly higher, as is our overall % of population, compared to the other Nordics. The immigrant/refugee populations here were the other main group devastated by COVID-19 (due to sociological and economic issues, especially crowed living arrangement and almost no history of innate social distancing, something Swedes natural do anyway, plus natives and multi generation immigrant Swedes live alone at vastly higher rates). Our numbers were inflated by the sheer higher %'s of impacted groups as well.
4. ALL the other Nordics, not just Sweden, for close to 5, 6 months, said do not wear masks. Norway and Denmark especially (they have changed a bit now, for trains, etc). This is almost never brought up, only Sweden is taken to the woodshed, as we had so many more deaths, again due to elderly and the immigrant sectors that I have documented so many times They did lockdown for a bit near the beginning, and we did not fully (there were and are many restrictions here, another myth is that we were wild west wide open, which is just patently untrue) lockdown. I do wish we had done the lockdown like Norway did.
5.Sweden is vastly more socially-distanced than the RW is in the US. That is a natural social thing here. The main groups who are not are the two that were ravaged (the elderly and the immigrant refugees groups). The RW in the US are disingenuous rotters when they try and say we are like them. we are NOTHING like them. We also are FAR more healthy in terms of most all age groups, especially the 50, 60 year olds and under cohorts. That is why our death count is so so low in the the younger (under 60 years of age) groups.
6. Our level of infection per million is actually fairly low, 48th (and dropping) in the world. Our death rate per million is now 16th, and dropping. Notice the huge difference. We have a huge percentage of deaths becuase it was so so high a percentage of infections in the oldest sectors, the ones most likely to die. It was mostly all front loaded, and has been vastly lowered. I saw an ex CDC head all other lying and saying we were still the worst in the EU and exploding. this was just a couple days ago, and it is a flat out lie.
7. The bottom half (over 5 million people) of our population has had to date, only 31 deaths total. That is for the entire under 40yo population. Zero schoolchildren's have died, only 2 under 20yo have died, a 4 yo and a 1 year old, both with massive comorbidity. This is despite the schools under high school (and some high schools) remaining open the whole time. 99% of all deaths have come from people 50 and older, 96% were 60yo and over over 60yo, 89% of all deaths were 70 years of age and older.
8. As for our economy, we did better than almost all of the EU in Q1, better than many in Q2 (again there was a tonne of disinfo initially sloshed around out there based off a faulty flash estimate from earlier), but still took a large hit, and will continue to take hits, although in 2021 we should recover a lot. We are extremely export-driven, with manufacturing making up a high percentage of that, so the global supply change seizing up hurt us, as did decreased demands for out exports. Our internal consumption was more robust.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/






front loaded deaths, vastly reduced rate of death now (due to our incredibly poor handing of the lederly care homes and scattered site housing)
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa

last double digit death day was over 3 months ago (11 deaths on July 18th)

deaths were are are massively skewed to the oldest sectors
