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D23MIURG23

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Wed Oct 21, 2020, 12:19 PM Oct 2020

How to Identify a Biden Victory on Election Night, According to 538's Interactive Model. [View all]

Earlier this month James Carville weighed in on Biden's chances of victory - “Not only are we going to know election night. We’re going to know at 10:30 Eastern.”(1) That could well be true, but are there any signs of this we could look for on election night, prior to the Networks calling the race for Biden?

The analytics website fivethirtyeight.com just posted an interactive version of it's presidential election model.(2) The model allows you to pick the winner of various states, and shows you the effect that your pick has on the probability of a win for each candidate. I've spent some time exploring this model today and found some eastern and central states, which, if called for Biden make him a prohibitive favorite (win probability >= 98%). I'm also ignoring states that are tossups, in favor of the ones leaning towards Biden, since these are more likely to be called earlier in the night.

Here is what I found.

Single States whose loss would doom Trump:

Florida and North Carolina.

How likely is this: Florida is currently leaning Biden 71% : 29% and NC is a 68% favorite for Biden. IMO these are less likely to be called for Biden quickly, so they probably won't offer us much peace of mind, but the possibility is better here than in Georgia or Ohio, which are much closer races.

Biden's Knockout Combos:

PA + WI

PA + MI

PA + MN + NH

How likely is this: All of these states carry a pretty high probability of a Biden win. Here they are in order: PA (87%), NH (87%), WI (88%), MN (91%), MI (93%). These are all close to the probability that the model gives Biden of an Electoral College win. For a Biden win to be secured by these states passes the smell test, because this is where Trump won the election in 2016. In my opinion the states to watch on election night will be Michigan and Pennsylvania. If Biden wins both of those convincingly, Trump's goose is probably cooked.

Let's make it happen! GOTV!




(1)https://thehill.com/homenews/media/520861-carville-predicts-biden-will-quickly-be-declared-winner-not-going-to-be-close
(2)https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-biden-election-map/

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Bookmarking wryter2000 Oct 2020 #1
K&R Sherman A1 Oct 2020 #2
My focus is on PA and MI/WI Roland99 Oct 2020 #3
Yeah, your first scenario is my pessimist scenario. That's a pretty conventional Non trump map Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2020 #17
I have no hope of a win in Florida, Mr.Bill Oct 2020 #20
Obama beat Romney in FL in 2012. D23MIURG23 Oct 2020 #33
nearly 2 week-long recount for Nelson and pRick Scott Roland99 Oct 2020 #23
Anecdotally in Kansas... Blue_playwright Oct 2020 #22
I live in a senior mobile home park in a small Northern California town. Mr.Bill Oct 2020 #29
Fox News goes dark? Boomerproud Oct 2020 #4
Too much to ask. GopherGal Oct 2020 #14
That is VERY funny!!! PCIntern Oct 2020 #30
Thanks for posting the 538 link! bmpbmp Oct 2020 #5
Best way will be to look at the rural Indiana and Kentuky counties that Trump carried heavily 2016 greenjar_01 Oct 2020 #6
What time will OAN call it? Under The Radar Oct 2020 #7
Jan 21. Nt Fiendish Thingy Oct 2020 #13
Noon on January 20th. n/t Mr.Bill Oct 2020 #21
They'll start a ticker on Covid too NorthOf270 Oct 2020 #25
Havnt they already called it? quakerboy Oct 2020 #26
fantastic job D23 peacebuzzard Oct 2020 #8
Dems can send GOTV donations to NCDP. blm Oct 2020 #9
A cautionary point: If TRUMP wins any of PA-WI-MI, Biden's chances plummet... brooklynite Oct 2020 #10
That would mean the polls are off an average of 6-8pts- highly unlikely. Nt Fiendish Thingy Oct 2020 #12
That's also true. D23MIURG23 Oct 2020 #15
AZ is also a bellwether state; probably won't know rust belt states on Election Night Fiendish Thingy Oct 2020 #11
That's true, another "knockout" I could have mentioned is AZ + NH D23MIURG23 Oct 2020 #18
Didn't the last senate race drag for a week? Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2020 #19
By the lack of plagues of locusts, the absense of giant cracks opening and swallowing cities... Silent3 Oct 2020 #16
Florida should be settled early in the night.... getagrip_already Oct 2020 #24
OH, TX, FL, & SC any one would be fatal. Botany Oct 2020 #27
bookmarking Hamlette Oct 2020 #28
Michigan's Results DownriverDem Oct 2020 #31
I wonder if Republican cheating in Florida will factor in Marius25 Oct 2020 #32
I can't help thinking they've miscounted some place's votes - I always seem to come up 3 votes short muriel_volestrangler Oct 2020 #34
When do Texas results come in? quakerboy Oct 2020 #35
Polls close at 7pm central time Major Nikon Oct 2020 #36
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