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mick063

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31. Various Carl Sagan quotes
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 12:17 AM
Sep 2012

One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. it is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. (So the old bamboozles tend to persist as the new bamboozles rise.) [Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection]


Finding the occasional straw of truth awash in a great ocean of confusion and bamboozle requires intelligence, vigilance, dedication and courage. But if we don't practice these tough habits of thought, we cannot hope to solve the truly serious problems that face us -- and we risk becoming a nation of suckers, up for grabs by the next charlatan who comes along. [Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection]

In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion. [Carl Sagan, 1987 CSICOP keynote address]

The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying... it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity. [Carl Sagan]

You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe. [Dr. Arroway in Carl Sagan's Contact (New York: Pocket Books, 1985]

A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism. [Carl Sagan, Contact, pg 244]

You see, the religious people -- most of them -- really think this planet is an experiment. That's what their beliefs come down to. Some god or other is always fixing and poking, messing around with tradesmen's wives, giving tablets on mountains, commanding you to mutilate your children, telling people what words they can say and what words they can't say, making people feel guilty about enjoying themselves, and like that. Why can't the gods leave well enough alone? All this intervention speaks of incompetence. If God didn't want Lot's wife to look back, why didn't he make her obedient, so she'd do what her husband told her? Or if he hadn't made Lot such a shithead, maybe she would've listened to him more. If God is omnipotent and omniscient, why didn't he start the universe out in the first place so it would come out the way he wants? Why's he constantly repairing and complaining? No, there's one thing the Bible makes clear: The biblical God is a sloppy manufacturer. He's not good at design, he's not good at execution. He'd be out of business if there was any competition. [Sol Hadden in Carl Sagan's Contact (New York: Pocket Books, 1985), p. 285.]

(When asked merely if they accept evolution, 45 percent of Americans say yes. The figure is 70 percent in China.) When the movie Jurassic Park was shown in Israel, it was condemned by some Orthodox rabbis because it accepted evolution and because it taught that dinosaurs lived a hundred million years ago--when, as is plainly stated at every Rosh Hashonhan and every Jewish wedding ceremony, the Universe is less than 6,000 years old. [Carl Sagan, _The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark_, p. 325]

I would love to believe that when I die I will live again, that some thinking, feeling, remembering part of me will continue. But much as I want to believe that, and despite the ancient and worldwide cultural traditions that assert an afterlife, I know of nothing to suggest that it is more than wishful thinking. The world is so exquisite with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there's little good evidence. Far better it seems to me, in our vulnerability, is to look death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides. [Carl Sagan, 1996 in his article In the Valley of the Shadow Parade Magazine Also, Billions and Billions p. 215]

The politicians and the religious leaders and the weapons scientists have been at it for a long time and they've made a thorough mess of it. I mean, we're in deep trouble. [Carl Sagan, A&E Biography interview]

Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy. [Carl Sagan]

In many cultures it is customary to answer that God created the universe out of nothing. But this is mere temporizing. If we wish courageously to pursue the question, we must, of course ask next where God comes from? And if we decide this to be unanswerable, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always existed? [Carl Sagan, Cosmos, page 257]










Carl Sagan the prophet. [View all] Whovian Sep 2012 OP
Whoa, that was prophetic. nt valerief Sep 2012 #1
Whoa. That was my thought, too. nt Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #15
Not so much prophetic as just observant... harmonicon Sep 2012 #69
Well, I didn't mean prophetic in a religious way. valerief Sep 2012 #70
Brilliant Man.... CherokeeDem Sep 2012 #2
Demon-haunted World is the greatest non-fiction book of all time scheming daemons Sep 2012 #3
I must check it out. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2012 #11
One of my favorite books. Aldo Leopold Sep 2012 #20
yip a keeper on my bookshelf Johonny Sep 2012 #57
We're pretty much already at that point ck4829 Sep 2012 #4
"holding conferences about how Galileo and heliocentrism is wrong"... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2012 #12
Link here ck4829 Sep 2012 #14
I had to look up the heliocentric thing out of sheer disbelief. Kindly Refrain Sep 2012 #45
It's not just science vs religion in the classical sense,... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #25
that was his last book nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #5
Nailed it! Raster Sep 2012 #6
One of my intellectual heroes. hifiguy Sep 2012 #7
the loss of Sagan is immeasurable... Moostache Sep 2012 #8
just wanted a few more eyes. Whovian Sep 2012 #9
Awesome book, brilliant human being. nt BootinUp Sep 2012 #10
Sagan is a prime example of the kind of mind and guiding philosophy we should have long ago TheKentuckian Sep 2012 #13
A man who will be sadly missed. Whovian Sep 2012 #34
You are absolutely correct, and it just as absolutely not going to happen for many Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #71
K&R for Karl! David Zephyr Sep 2012 #16
Great man. Smickey Sep 2012 #17
Sad K&R. Overseas Sep 2012 #18
One of my favorite books. The reason, though, that he was able to predict it so well is NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #19
So totally stealing that Canuckistanian Sep 2012 #21
1997 pokerfan Sep 2012 #66
Thank you Canuckistanian Oct 2012 #76
After I read that book... donqpublic Sep 2012 #22
One of my greatest heroes... defacto7 Sep 2012 #23
A great book book by a great man. drm604 Sep 2012 #24
Funny that you posted this Shankapotomus Sep 2012 #26
There are a suprising number of people who believe swearing can cause a lightning strike. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #27
Well, that's just fucked up as all.... <<<<ZZZZZZAAAAPPPP>>>>> JHB Sep 2012 #43
1487 Views. GeorgeGist Sep 2012 #28
I think Sagan would take apart your post in short order muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #38
Sagan was a pothead. Jackpine Radical Sep 2012 #29
I smoked a lot in the 70's but it didn't have the same effect on me. Whovian Sep 2012 #41
It did on me. hifiguy Sep 2012 #74
K&R. n/t susanna Sep 2012 #30
Various Carl Sagan quotes mick063 Sep 2012 #31
Brilliant post. Thank you. Whovian Sep 2012 #32
This one ... BlueMTexpat Sep 2012 #48
Love that! CrispyQ Sep 2012 #50
Wow. Thanks so much for posting. n/t VOX Sep 2012 #56
Amazing. So much brilliance from one gifted man. hifiguy Sep 2012 #73
Thank you. Sagan was the wisest man I have ever seen. hifiguy Sep 2012 #75
Wow. rudycantfail Sep 2012 #33
That's a must-read book bhikkhu Sep 2012 #35
Brilliant. LiberalAndProud Sep 2012 #36
Published in 1996 Kablooie Sep 2012 #37
K & R AzDar Sep 2012 #39
Sorry to say you were right, Carl... Blue Owl Sep 2012 #40
...a pale blue dot. Octafish Sep 2012 #42
I read that book on exiting the fundamentalist cult that I had been raised in Schema Thing Sep 2012 #44
K & R For Carl !!! WillyT Sep 2012 #46
Sagan was one of a kind. 99Forever Sep 2012 #47
This comes to mind libodem Sep 2012 #49
One drop of hope: Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #51
A brilliant man, sorely missed. K&R SaveOurDemocracy Sep 2012 #52
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2012 #53
? Uneeque Sep 2012 #54
Wow...he nailed it. (He does look like Walowitz in that picture however.... :o) Windy Sep 2012 #55
K&R! smirkymonkey Sep 2012 #58
There's another quote from that book that's even more chilling JoeyT Sep 2012 #59
One of my heroes. nt Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2012 #60
Frightening....and tragic. Sekhmets Daughter Sep 2012 #61
Unsettling, isn't it! calimary Sep 2012 #62
RIP Carl, You Were Taken Too Soon colsohlibgal Sep 2012 #63
From one of my favorite books! AllyCat Sep 2012 #64
A brilliant man janx Sep 2012 #65
I miss him. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #67
K&R and one more quote. idwiyo Sep 2012 #68
If only we could attach our proverbial wagon to those thinking ahead. raouldukelives Sep 2012 #72
k&r... spanone Oct 2012 #77
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