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34. Here in Europe

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 03:05 AM

Oct 2020

There has been a huge spike in cases. France reported over 41000 new infections just last Thursday. Next door to me, in Holland, the number of severe case spiked so high that some Dutch hospitals were airlifting Covid19 cases to hospitals here in Germany because they were overflowing with cases they couldn't treat due to their capacity being reached and exceeded. I had to cancel a meeting in Switzerland yesterday because more than ten people were supposed to be there, and the Kanton of Zürich just made ten the limit for any room. My office in Geneva pleaded with me to come down for the day Tuesday because they fear a nationwide lockdown starting Wednesday. I have about 15 people working in my Dutch office. Fourteen of them got infected, presumably from a local visitor. One was asymptomatic and one was not infected. One is now in a hospital fighting for his life. The rest are recovering.

Pretty heavy stuff for a “libbrul hoax.”

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Difficult conversation with my brother on Covid today. [View all] smirkymonkey Oct 2020 OP

I heard a report yesterday... Jeebo Oct 2020 #1

Thank you. I believe that. I have just been unable to find any solid statistics. smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #6

study krkaufman Oct 2020 #37

You Would Only Be Wasting Your Time Stating Facts sfstaxprep Oct 2020 #2

This is an "old" article - from August of this year - but it compares the death rate compared to flu Rhiannon12866 Oct 2020 #3

Thank you, Rhiannon! smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #9

I ran across a detailed analysis from Johns Hopkins - with graphs - but this CNN article is simpler Rhiannon12866 Oct 2020 #11

Good article! smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #55

Well, I don't blame you for having reservations about it Rhiannon12866 Oct 2020 #66

Here you go, this should help. Mariana Oct 2020 #4

Very helpful! smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #10

It absolutely refutes this one lie, at least: Mariana Oct 2020 #52

Deaths are hitting 230K. Reality is the number is much higher. Here are some threads. LizBeth Oct 2020 #5

I am so sorry for the loss of your friend's mother. I don't think he understands how this impacts smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #12

I am not spending holiday with people that do get the seriousness of it. I will live to be able LizBeth Oct 2020 #13

I had this question in one of my online classes marlakay Oct 2020 #7

I believe that. I do not believe that most people in the health professions are very politically smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #14

Your welcome I am having the same problem marlakay Oct 2020 #21

I am sorry that this has had to come between you and your family. smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #25

The wedding will be on zoom for those that can't go marlakay Oct 2020 #45

then they need to determine what those other causes of death are. uncle ray Oct 2020 #48

That's a good point. smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #56

Does he think that other countrIes are conspiring with our media too? lostnfound Oct 2020 #8

That point alone blows U.S. right-winger arguments out of the water.... KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2020 #16

I mentioned that to him and he kind of quickly changed the subject. smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #19

Good articles here, SM.... KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2020 #15

Thank you KY EnviroGuy! smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #20

The CDC also has data BainsBane Oct 2020 #17

Thank you, BainsBane! smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #22

Yeah... orwell Oct 2020 #18

Yeah, I tried that argument on him too. Didn't work. smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #23

Intelligent people don't listen to Fux Duppers Oct 2020 #24

I always believed that to be true. smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #28

SO TRUE! That's an astute observation. Duppers Oct 2020 #33

🦠 roamer65 Oct 2020 #26

+1000 smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #29

Bookmarking for all these good sources. Thanks, all. Best of luck: I think the disinfo has hit every Hekate Oct 2020 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author appalachiablue Oct 2020 #30

Just want to thank everyone for their contributions. smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #31

Don't waste one more moment of your precious life LuckyLib Oct 2020 #32

Thanks LuckyLib! smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #35

Here in Europe DFW Oct 2020 #34

I had heard things were picking up in Europe again. smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #36

The heartlessness is shocking DFW Oct 2020 #39

Honestly, it really breaks my heart to see this. Not only in the media, but amongst smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #41

I saw something about Czech Republic getting swamped by it. nt Grasswire2 Oct 2020 #64

I take the threat to my health from this virus seriously. Worried2020 Oct 2020 #38

And you have every right to. I am glad you are taking this seriously because it seems smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #40

Lots of great resources in this thread mnhtnbb Oct 2020 #42

Thank you mnhtnbb! smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #57

Have him watch last night Friday night Rachel Maddow. nt BootinUp Oct 2020 #43

That was extremely sobering and scary. nt babylonsister Oct 2020 #44

if that doesnt work, probably no hope for convincing him. nt BootinUp Oct 2020 #49

Hah! Fat chance of that! smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #58

Would statistics help? Is he going to be convinced? Are you? JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2020 #46

I'm not sure. If he was ganged up upon by a few of us with statistics, it might smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #59

Here's an article with facts from Scientific American eShirl Oct 2020 #47

Excellent article! smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #60

Great article - thanks! nt crickets Oct 2020 #61

Just go to CDC Dem2 Oct 2020 #50

I watched this earlier. 27 minutes likesmountains 52 Oct 2020 #51

Interesting video. smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #62

I like that he discusses both sides, makes it easier to introduce the opposing ideas and info likesmountains 52 Oct 2020 #65

🦠 roamer65 Oct 2020 #53

There's a vast amount of resources in this thread. Niagara Oct 2020 #54

Yes. See what I mean? smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #63

I'm sorry I didn't get time to help you SM, long day at my facility because COVID. Maru Kitteh Oct 2020 #67

Oh, Maru! Don't be sorry! smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #68