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11. We need more laid off American IT workers

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Sat Sep 29, 2012, 11:44 AM

Sep 2012

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Senators Working on Bipartisan Bill to Allow More U.S. Visas for Indians [View all] twins.fan Sep 2012 OP

Oy - fuckin great. Nt xchrom Sep 2012 #1

why? former-republican Sep 2012 #2

Some jobs that require a high level of education are going unfilled. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #5

The H1B visa is not used to import highly skilled workers. It is for REPLACEMENT workers. twins.fan Sep 2012 #6

IN my experience, I have never seen an H1B visa holder take a job from an employed bluestate10 Sep 2012 #60

This is a quick and dirty search. It took me a couple of minutes: twins.fan Sep 2012 #70

Also the unemployment rate for US STEM workers is NOT nonexistent. The rate is a HOAX! twins.fan Sep 2012 #7

Could you list the fields where that has happened? bluestate10 Sep 2012 #61

Garbage. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #84

When I was hired for my first job out of college ... twins.fan Sep 2012 #91

^^ This. I got my first coding job after my sophomore year in college, and I wasn't even gkhouston Sep 2012 #102

+100. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #107

About America�s global education rankings...not as advertised twins.fan Sep 2012 #9

The ue rate for IT in the US is above national avg, this makes no sense uponit7771 Sep 2012 #10

U.S. pushes for more scientists, but the jobs aren�t there twins.fan Sep 2012 #15

I was specific in the list of jobs that shortages exist in. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #64

IT is one of the easiest hard science or engineering fields. It has always been staffed fully. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #59

bald-faced bullshit. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #86

Bullshit.. sendero Sep 2012 #41

I know from fact. I deal with the issue constantly. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #68

Please wake up! twins.fan Sep 2012 #74

Some Democrats are NOT "falling for it." They are driving it. Like Chuck Schumer. twins.fan Sep 2012 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author HiPointDem Sep 2012 #87

more "cheap-labor liberal" talking points. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #79

Because that's what their fucking paymasters want, and they'll get it. TransitJohn Sep 2012 #14

Why bother? abelenkpe Sep 2012 #3

That process is called Knowledge Transfer (KT) and proceeds as follows: twins.fan Sep 2012 #8

+ 1 uponit7771 Sep 2012 #12

Exactly what has happened to VFX abelenkpe Sep 2012 #24

They are trying to do that . sendero Sep 2012 #42

That is typical ... twins.fan Sep 2012 #49

KR. I wish you would write this up as an OP. The US capital & knowlege infrastructure HiPointDem Sep 2012 #82

Do you mean KT? As for the process not happening in NYC, it is happening there too. twins.fan Sep 2012 #85

I didn't say it wasn't happening in nyc, i said that what would remain would be a few glittering HiPointDem Sep 2012 #88

Will do! You wrote "KR" though. I thought you were talking about KT, just wanted to make sure. twins.fan Sep 2012 #93

kr = kick & rec HiPointDem Sep 2012 #95

kick & rec? twins.fan Sep 2012 #97

When you reply to a post, it "kicks" the thread back to the top of the forum/group page. gkhouston Sep 2012 #103

Ah!! OK, thanks for 'splainin' twins.fan Oct 2012 #121

Sant Singh Chatwal is a growing political figure in the Democratic Party twins.fan Sep 2012 #4

We need more laid off American IT workers jsr Sep 2012 #11

Ever notice how free traders never want to discuss the laid-off American workers? Zalatix Sep 2012 #35

Yep. jsr Sep 2012 #38

What we need is a redirection of IT talent. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #83

You are thinking about what our country needs which does not line up with ... twins.fan Sep 2012 #92

Why only India Hutzpa Sep 2012 #13

The GAO reports that about half of work visas are granted to Indians. twins.fan Sep 2012 #16

Still doesn't answer my question though Hutzpa Sep 2012 #17

I don't know that I have the answer to your question twins.fan Sep 2012 #18

Because a much larger percentage of Indians speak English? gkhouston Sep 2012 #19

And the others don't Hutzpa Sep 2012 #22

More than The UK, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada? Lasher Sep 2012 #26

Combined with the low wages. The original question was comparing India gkhouston Sep 2012 #28

That's not what you said and that wasn't part of the original question. Lasher Sep 2012 #29

My bias?? If you think I'm arguing in favoring of more H1-B's, you're waaaaay off base. n/t gkhouston Sep 2012 #30

You are clearly trying to rationalize the inordinate share of visas already going to Indians. Lasher Sep 2012 #31

No, I'm trying to explain why it's being done, not argue that it's a good idea. gkhouston Sep 2012 #32

We could actually use a lot more Indian Americans in this country. gulliver Sep 2012 #20

"Talented Indian Americans in this country just means America has more talent." Hutzpa Sep 2012 #21

Well it isn't. gulliver Sep 2012 #27

More BS on top of BS! Zalatix Sep 2012 #33

The jobs that follow talent return to the US. The jobs that follow price go to India. twins.fan Sep 2012 #37

While kicking Americans further into the curb. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #127

I seriously doubt that the majority of US STEM workers will agree with you. twins.fan Sep 2012 #25

You're swimming against an emotional tide. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #80

I'm happy for the brightest people from other countries to come here. Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #23

You're happy that it puts Americans out of work. Zalatix Sep 2012 #34

I wish that the corporations would just be honest about these work visas. twins.fan Sep 2012 #36

What about this? treestar Sep 2012 #53

Yet another drive-by half-truth post. Zalatix Sep 2012 #55

As Ron Hira put it a while back ... twins.fan Sep 2012 #56

Treestar feels American workers need to be culled to make room for other population groups. Zalatix Sep 2012 #57

I have never heard of "Treestar." Who are they/he/she/it? twins.fan Sep 2012 #62

Oh you haven't had the experience, eh? Zalatix Sep 2012 #67

Thanks for the info. I will keep my eye open for them. twins.fan Sep 2012 #76

That's it in a nutshell. That's it! R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #128

that's true but the argument accounts for the fact they will outsource treestar Sep 2012 #81

Why can't American workers go get a STEM job in India? Can you answer that? Zalatix Sep 2012 #90

Why do you overreact so? treestar Sep 2012 #98

In the beginning US STEM workers welcomed workers that supplemented the workforce twins.fan Sep 2012 #99

You avoided my question, so I will keep asking you... Zalatix Sep 2012 #111

Hmmm. We were saying it's better for the American worker if the Indians are here rather than R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #129

Doesn't matter, treestar won't answer our questions. Zalatix Oct 2012 #130

Those plumbers and electricians are now competing JoeyT Oct 2012 #123

Years ago, when Bill Clinton was being impeached, and US STEM workers were supporting him ... twins.fan Sep 2012 #39

This story quotes Ron Hira. The last three paragraphs of the story reads as follows: twins.fan Sep 2012 #40

Yep. I remember that. Most computer geeks were neo-Republican - closeupready Sep 2012 #66

I discovered it after the fact. twins.fan Sep 2012 #77

twinsfan & closeupready - I was a STEM worker back then. Take a seat by the fireplace. Zalatix Sep 2012 #89

I saw some of that too! twins.fan Sep 2012 #96

Thanks for that VERY interesting perspective. closeupready Sep 2012 #101

That wasn't my experience, but I was in academia at the time... likely you get a different gkhouston Sep 2012 #104

Yeah, that's pretty much what I remember too. JoeyT Oct 2012 #124

Eventually the American CEOs are going to go to the chopping block. Zalatix Oct 2012 #125

We need to tell senators Schumer and Reid.. sendero Sep 2012 #43

Has anyone here asked your Democratic representatives ... twins.fan Sep 2012 #44

So is there any feedback from us or SIEU Skidmore Sep 2012 #45

Schumer knows what he is doing. He is counting on US not knowing. twins.fan Sep 2012 #46

SO maybe WE need to let Schumer know that we are watching him and Reid, Skidmore Sep 2012 #50

You're darn tootin' we should let him (them) know twins.fan Sep 2012 #52

BUT BUT we don't have people that know science and technology jsr Sep 2012 #47

About America�s global education rankings...not as advertised twins.fan Sep 2012 #48

And, it wasn't an American that created Facebook Hutzpa Sep 2012 #63

And the internets, computers, cell phones jsr Sep 2012 #69

I forgot about the phone Hutzpa Sep 2012 #72

Only if ea and every visa comes with a 100K annual tax to pay free College education for an american on point Sep 2012 #51

Make that a full ride to any school or program that will accept them, in fact make it two TheKentuckian Sep 2012 #73

Good, this will surely help unemployed americans find work! 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #54

Top users of H1B visa twins.fan Sep 2012 #58

If India does not reciprocate by opening employment to Americans, then no. closeupready Sep 2012 #65

+100,000,000! You nailed it right to the wall! Zalatix Sep 2012 #75

um -- what use is it for india to open employment to americans, & why would that improve the HiPointDem Sep 2012 #94

Um -- fair is fair. If they want to come here and take our jobs, we should have the right closeupready Sep 2012 #100

it's downside for american workers even *if* some can take jobs in india, because of the difference HiPointDem Sep 2012 #106

Not your problem or your business. closeupready Sep 2012 #109

the destruction of the country *is* my problem and *is* my business. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Sep 2012 #116

I'm not sure that we disagree, but since you are talking apples closeupready Sep 2012 #118

i'm not flaming. i just don't think that h1b visas suddenly become ok because americans get to HiPointDem Oct 2012 #120

Like many Americans want to work in India? WinkyDink Sep 2012 #113

If you'd like to discuss that, I invite you to start your own thread about that question. closeupready Sep 2012 #117

Actually, I think some might, and if India wants the *REAL* best and brightest ... twins.fan Oct 2012 #122

Oh yes, this is a GREAT idea tarheelsunc Sep 2012 #78

It's the premise I find difficult to accept. ElboRuum Sep 2012 #105

US STEM workers are the greatest scientists, engineers, and mathematicians ... twins.fan Sep 2012 #110

Well ain't that special! It's nice that the senators are working (have a job). L0oniX Sep 2012 #108

Finally! The answer to out-sourcing! Bring them HERE! WinkyDink Sep 2012 #112

Corporations want cheap labor like a junkie wants a fix Teamster Jeff Sep 2012 #114

Exactamente jsr Sep 2012 #119

Great job guys. Why are we sending you back to your jobs when you are R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #126