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Hermit-The-Prog

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43. Did Johnson ever deny strangling the dog? All he has to do is deny it. Otherwise ...
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 03:49 PM
Oct 2020

See also, Hustler Magazine v. Falwell, 485 U.S. 46


https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/485/46

Respondent, a nationally known minister and commentator on politics and public affairs, filed a diversity action in Federal District Court against petitioners, a nationally circulated magazine and its publisher, to recover damages for, inter alia, libel and intentional infliction of emotional distress arising from the publication of an advertisement "parody" which, among other things, portrayed respondent as having engaged in a drunken incestuous rendezvous with his mother in an outhouse. The jury found against respondent on the libel claim, specifically finding that the parody could not "reasonably be understood as describing actual facts . . . or events," but ruled in his favor on the emotional distress claim, stating that he should be awarded compensatory and punitive damages. The Court of Appeals affirmed, rejecting petitioners' contention that the "actual malice" standard of New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254, 84 S.Ct. 710, 11 L.Ed.2d 686 must be met before respondent can recover for emotional distress. Rejecting as irrelevant the contention that, because the jury found that the parody did not describe actual facts, the ad was an opinion protected by the First Amendment to the Federal Constitution, the court ruled that the issue was whether the ad's publication was sufficiently outrageous to constitute intentional infliction of emotional distress.

Held: In order to protect the free flow of ideas and opinions on matters of public interest and concern, the First and Fourteenth Amendments prohibit public figures and public officials from recovering damages for the tort of intentional infliction of emotional distress by reason of the publication of a caricature such as the ad parody at issue without showing in addition that the publication contains a false statement of fact which was made with "actual malice," i.e., with knowledge that the statement was false or with reckless disregard as to whether or not it was true. The State's interest in protecting public figures from emotional distress is not sufficient to deny First Amendment protection to speech that is patently offensive and is intended to inflict emotional injury when that speech could not reasonably have been interpreted as stating actual facts about the public figure involved. Here, respondent is clearly a "public figure" for First Amendment purposes, and the lower courts' finding that the ad parody was not reasonably believable must be accepted. "Outrageousness" in the area of political and social discourse has an inherent subjectiveness about it which would allow a jury to impose liability on the basis of the jurors' tastes or views, or perhaps on the basis of their dislike of a particular expression, and cannot, consistently with the First Amendment, form a basis for the award of damages for conduct such as that involved here. Pp. 50-57.

797 F.2d 1270 (CA4 1986), reversed.

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WTF? Is it a completely made up tweet? brush Oct 2020 #1
He is clearly saying it is made up. That is the argument Republicans are making out loud to be able LizBeth Oct 2020 #2
Oh, the Hunter Biden stuff is made up. But is the killing the dog... brush Oct 2020 #3
The tweeter said it was made up. BComplex Oct 2020 #4
Well, she would say that, wouldn't she? Miguelito Loveless Oct 2020 #7
I don't get your point. marble falls Oct 2020 #47
You just have to know that "people say" Miguelito Loveless Oct 2020 #52
I got your point Skittles Oct 2020 #90
Well done, but some of us haven't Ilsa Oct 2020 #99
Every day Miguelito Loveless Oct 2020 #103
Sadly DENVERPOPS Oct 2020 #112
I just assume everything I read is false and unproven until it is proven. Ligyron Oct 2020 #106
That's ok, some of us are more satirically challenged than others. groundloop Oct 2020 #53
In an English Lit class I taught at the U. of MD years ago RVN VET71 Oct 2020 #107
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The lark has left vomit Miguelito Loveless Oct 2020 #57
Oooooh. I hadn't realized we'd reached defcon 6. yardwork Oct 2020 #59
Soup cans at the ready!! Sir, or Ma'am. ResistantAmerican17 Oct 2020 #72
Don't forget the tuna! lonely bird Oct 2020 #102
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Is it "one if by land"? ..?.... or .....the other? Always mix that up. Longfellow, meh. jaxexpat Oct 2020 #98
Lol, yep. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2020 #96
The tweeter's children are possibly legally blind. Who could know if it was Johnson, but it greenjar_01 Oct 2020 #16
The republicans always strangle democrat's dogs. Everyone knows that. BComplex Oct 2020 #22
They are also terrified of cats. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2020 #35
I have ALSO heard that Johnson is a dog strangler. Wow. Must be true. 634-5789 Oct 2020 #46
Thats just the way QQ communicates TheRealNorth Oct 2020 #24
QQ is Limbaugh's bra size. CaptYossarian Oct 2020 #66
Yes. That is the point. Yes, and he is saying in that tweet it is made up. LizBeth Oct 2020 #5
I'm not sure how to take this? Do we want to go down that rabbit hole? brush Oct 2020 #10
Here is the point. In the very same tweet he stated he was lying. Trumpco's want to be allowed to LizBeth Oct 2020 #18
even while I'm totally in your corner stopdiggin Oct 2020 #36
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Now, who is we here? yardwork Oct 2020 #55
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Conflating am individual tweet with Democratic Party leadership seems unwarranted. yardwork Oct 2020 #82
I specifically pointed out the difference of that tweet and Dem... brush Oct 2020 #84
Your second paragraph... yardwork Oct 2020 #86
Yes. The operative words are "leave off" the made up part. brush Oct 2020 #87
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And I heard that prayer. You've done well. If the disclaimer "this is a lie" doesn't work for ... marble falls Oct 2020 #104
Some people are saying Miguelito Loveless Oct 2020 #6
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Another Leak? NonPC Oct 2020 #29
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Mary T. Hagan has it on video, Senator! The video is currently in the hands of a Democratic lawyer greenjar_01 Oct 2020 #12
Nicely played malaise Oct 2020 #23
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First he unbuttons them, from what I hear Wicked Blue Oct 2020 #50
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Russian asset says what? soothsayer Oct 2020 #21
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Perhaps the more important question to be raised in future tweets of this sort. . . matt819 Oct 2020 #32
but ... Buttons Wicked Blue Oct 2020 #34
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Did Johnson ever deny strangling the dog? All he has to do is deny it. Otherwise ... Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2020 #43
That tweet might squash his re-election? Where can I post one?? marble falls Oct 2020 #44
Retweet it! soothsayer Oct 2020 #51
Don't leave out the fact that he matriculated in college, just like Rudy did. CaptYossarian Oct 2020 #70
He masticates at the table. Honestly! PurgedVoter Oct 2020 #83
So does Pee Wee Herman. CaptYossarian Oct 2020 #89
I understand it's hard, even for some here, to read all 3 sentences. BUT - if you NoMoreRepugs Oct 2020 #61
It's the part where they state it's a lie that is the bad comparison. yardwork Oct 2020 #62
I'm in Wisconsin. I'd be embarrased if I voted for him... Darkstar53142 Oct 2020 #63
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!JUSTICE For BUTTONS! LunaSea Oct 2020 #76
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It's almost like making crap up and firing people from fake jobs! czarjak Oct 2020 #111
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