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Drunken Irishman

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45. This isn't true, either.
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 08:23 PM
Oct 2020

In the final week of the campaign, Hillary had two rallies in Michigan (Detroit on 11/4, Grand Rapids the day before the election), five rallies in Pennsylvania (Pittsburgh on 11/4, Philadelphia on 11/5, Philadelphia on 11/6, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh on 11/7), two in Ohio (Cleveland on 11/1, Cleveland on 11/6), four in Florida (Dade City, Sanford, Fort Lauderdale, FL on 11/1, Pembroke Pines on 11/5) and three in North Carolina (Winterville & Raleigh on 11/3, Raleigh on 11/7 - her final rally of the campaign).

So, total, she had nine rallies in the final week of the campaign in the Midwest. In the final four days, most her rallies were held in the Midwest (9) than the South (2) - with another being held in New Hampshire on 11/6.

The fact she was in those three states so much at the end of the campaign led many to question whether their internals were showing a closer race than what many believed. When she started her Midwest blitz on 11/4, the state polls for Pennsylvania and Michigan were much more favorable to her than North Carolina and Florida, which were seen as toss-ups.

There clearly was a shift in the final week of the campaign that scared Clinton into going into Pennsylvania and Michigan. The final four days of the campaign, Hillary visited seven times to those two states. In all of October, she visited both Pennsylvania and Michigan just three times (well held three different rallies - one day she had two in Pennsylvania).

Again, they clearly saw something that most the public wasn't seeing because they DID try to shore up that firewall that they saw crumbling or they wouldn't have changed such abrupt course the final week of the campaign like they did.

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WTH is happening?!!!!!!! n/t tormadjax Oct 2020 #1
Fuck RandySF Oct 2020 #2
it's a poll in a lily white state nt msongs Oct 2020 #3
That Des Moines Register poll exboyfil Oct 2020 #4
Sigh... Jamesyu Oct 2020 #5
No surprise . . . Iliyah Oct 2020 #6
Definitely a surprise. Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #8
Well there are no other collapse numbers, right? mvd Oct 2020 #13
I mean, he went from 47 points to 41 so, he dropped six-points. Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #14
That is strange and even more shows how it is just one poll mvd Oct 2020 #20
Good pollster but still could be an outlier grantcart Oct 2020 #22
No surprise?! PTWB Oct 2020 #29
I suspect I know why, but I don't want to get a hide so I will keep it to myself still_one Oct 2020 #7
See post# 3? nt zackymilly Oct 2020 #27
Wasn't counting on Iowa redstateblues Oct 2020 #9
Neither was I but a seven-point deficit likely means the Midwest isn't quite locked up. Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #11
Umm did you see those CNN Midwest polls today Proud liberal 80 Oct 2020 #16
Yes. And those are good. Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #19
Lol Clinton was criticized for doing what Biden is doing now Proud liberal 80 Oct 2020 #23
I think you mean she was criticized for NOT doing what Biden is doing now, campaigning in still_one Oct 2020 #30
Yes I did thanks Proud liberal 80 Oct 2020 #36
You explained well in the body of your post proud liberal still_one Oct 2020 #38
This isn't true, either. Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #45
B+ triron Oct 2020 #50
That isn't the poll CNN uses anymore. Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #51
And Trump is still not at 50 percent nt Wanderlust988 Oct 2020 #10
He wasn't at 50% in the final 2016 Iowa poll, either... Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #12
Why are you people freaking out Proud liberal 80 Oct 2020 #15
People are antsy because it's a very good poll and Biden isn't doing much better than Hillary. Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #17
Iowa doesn't have a Proud liberal 80 Oct 2020 #18
Right. And western Iowa is basically South Dakota. Buckeyeblue Oct 2020 #26
2016 showed us it doesn't matter if you have a Detroit, Philadelphia, Cleveland or Milwaukee. Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #28
You're extrapolating waaay too much off of one poll coti Oct 2020 #24
It is because the Seltzer poll is the gold standard in Iowa still_one Oct 2020 #33
Not really. Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #40
Why does this surprise anyone? IA was never gonna go to Biden, nor OH Thekaspervote Oct 2020 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author NewsCenter28 Oct 2020 #25
Ok Proud liberal 80 Oct 2020 #34
WI and IA are similar. PTWB Oct 2020 #41
NOT. triron Oct 2020 #52
NOT. PTWB Oct 2020 #54
Dodgy poll, too swingy and frankly she aint that convinced of her own numbers in it. sunonmars Oct 2020 #31
It was the same four years ago... Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #42
Post removed Post removed Oct 2020 #32
What Are You Talking About Aepps22 Oct 2020 #39
Amazing that Trump could totally fuck up the state's #1 industry - farming icwlmuscyia Oct 2020 #35
But they hate socialism! smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #49
I think they oversampled Republicans. Ernst is also suddenly up. yellowcanine Oct 2020 #37
Did anyone else find it odd DeminPennswoods Oct 2020 #43
Have to say Iowa has lot of stupid people-If they swung for Trump kansasobama Oct 2020 #44
Not putting much stock in this. LiberalFighter Oct 2020 #46
Nate Silver says: shrike3 Oct 2020 #47
No doubt there are outliers and this could be one DeminPennswoods Oct 2020 #55
Crosstabs? Sampling details? triron Oct 2020 #48
Stop. Just stop mcar Oct 2020 #53
It's not good news but Turin_C3PO Oct 2020 #56
I don't believe the change in the independents. Biden up 12 in September is now suddenly ooky Oct 2020 #57
The poll was dead on correct again exboyfil Nov 2020 #58
My concern was this showing Biden's support in the Midwest/Rustbelt wasn't as strong... Drunken Irishman Nov 2020 #59
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